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["Gabriel Staples, ElectricRCAircraftGuy.com" <ercaguy@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks, Seth.

Makes sense. I forgot companies had a paid support option with KiCad. I'll
keep that in mind and upstream the information in case I can ever convince
a company I work for to use KiCad. Usually they use Altium.

For myself on personal projects, I'll just have to keep my Ubuntu version
up-to-date at least every 3 years.

Thanks for all that you in the KiCad team do!

Gabriel Staples




On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 9:33 AM Seth Hillbrand <seth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Gabriel-
>
> The support periods listed on the kicad.org website are for the free
> builds provided and maintained at no cost to the end user.  We set limits
> here to best utilize our available developer resources.  Maintaining
> software for out of date operating systems is time consuming and difficult.
>
> Companies that require extended support periods or use unsupported
> operating systems for their business operations should consider purchasing
> that support [1].
>
> This differentiation both maximizes the feature development for all KiCad
> users while providing a cost-efficient solution for businesses looking to
> avoid "tremendously difficult and costly" upgrades.
>
> All of that said, as Wayne notes, we should have corrected the INSTALL.txt
> and CMakeList.txt files to the proper Boost version when we updated the
> code.
>
> Seth
>
> [1] https://www.kicad.org/help/professional-support/
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 8:26 AM Gabriel Staples, ElectricRCAircraftGuy.com
> <ercaguy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Also,
>>
>> If you're wondering how prevalent Ubuntu is in industry, I can't say
>> exactly, but I'll say this: for software development on self-driving cars,
>> both of the last 2 companies I've worked at, each with around 2000
>> employees, have used Ubuntu as their primary workstations and build
>> systems. The first kept Ubuntu 14.04 until the year 2019, several months
>> *after* the 5 year LTS support was up, at which point they upgraded to
>> Ubuntu 18.04, which was **tremendously difficult and costly**, and the
>> latter gave me an Ubuntu 18.04 machine in January 2020, and it's still
>> 18.04 today, and they won't upgrade it. A lot of large and influential
>> companies have substantial reliance on Ubuntu releases for long periods of
>> time.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Gabriel Staples
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 8:22 AM Gabriel Staples,
>> ElectricRCAircraftGuy.com <ercaguy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Seth,
>>>
>>> You/KiCad might consider supporting Ubuntu for the full 5 year duration
>>> that LTS releases are supported by Ubuntu. On my home machines, for
>>> instance, I run Ubuntu 20.04 right now. On my work machines, however, I run
>>> Ubuntu 18.04 right now because the cost of upgrading a distro is so
>>> significant they only do it when the Long Term Support period of 5 years is
>>> over. I shouldn't manually upgrade my own work machine if I wanted to
>>> because it must remain compatible with my work's build systems and other
>>> software. I think many companies operate this way. If you want to get KiCad
>>> to be used by more companies, which I would like to see myself, I think
>>> KiCad will need to support Ubuntu for the full 5 years of the LTS term or
>>> else it may automatically be ruled out as a potential candidate as
>>> companies evaluate software to use and support.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Gabriel Staples
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 8:53 AM Seth Hillbrand <seth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Wayne,
>>>>
>>>> From the page you linked, 18.04 is not a supported system and has never
>>>> been supported for v6.  We had decided some time ago that we would support
>>>> Ubuntu LTS versions for 1 year after the release of the next LTS [1].
>>>>
>>>> Jean-Samuel, you may be able to use the mhier PPA[2] as the source for
>>>> newer Boost versions that will allow KiCad on older Ubuntus.
>>>>
>>>> -Seth
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg43255.html
>>>> [2]
>>>> https://launchpad.net/~mhier/+archive/ubuntu/libboost-latest/+packages
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 6:06 AM Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It looks like someone back ported some random number generator fixes
>>>>> from master that are not available in boost 1.56 which is the minimum
>>>>> version in the 6.0 branch.  We should address this since 18.04 LTS is a
>>>>> supported system[1].
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]:https://www.kicad.org/help/system-requirements/
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/22 4:05 AM, Jean-Samuel Reynaud wrote:
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > As I see, since one of those commits:
>>>>> > 891c919c239223ef601284a8f166d0f229f6b030
>>>>> > 0ea7dabc1271dbc77b8d5764e4eecbeba85903d6
>>>>> > e1cd74dd78031b002737a79ddffcf3489d74105c
>>>>> > 4d8297a1f6f18d59cb38361b88a959d7af062480
>>>>> >
>>>>> > KiCad is unable to build on Ubuntu 18.04. I guess it's a boost
>>>>> version
>>>>> > issue (Boost is 1.65.1 on Ubuntu 18.04).
>>>>> > The build error:
>>>>> > kicad/common/kiid.cpp:50:73:   required from here
>>>>> > /usr/include/boost/random/detail/seed_impl.hpp:269:9: error: ‘class
>>>>> > boost::uuids::detail::seed_rng’ has no member named ‘generate’
>>>>> >      seq.generate(&storage[0], &storage[0] + ((w+31)/32) * n);
>>>>> >      ~~~~^~~~~~~~
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > You can take a look as the build output at
>>>>> >
>>>>> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/600354670/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-amd64.kicad_6.0.0+nightly-202205081117+43b8adad1a~116~ubuntu18.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
>>>>> > (large log, error message near the end ;)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is this version of Ubuntu is still supported for 6.0 branch ? (for me
>>>>> > yes since the Ubuntu support is up to April 2023)...
>>>>> > Note that it affect version 6.0.5 (6.0.4 was built correctly)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>> >
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