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[Phillip Whiteside <phillw@xxxxxxxxxx>]

You may want to have a read of my last experience with grub2, from moving up
from grub-legacy...

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1331465

<http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1331465>it took drs305 to correct
that 'simple' problem  (He altered the wiki page after it), it has gotten
worse. Do not mis-read, the problem it has come back to bite *buntu.

This is playing into the hands of certain corporate companies.*buntu either
works, or it does not. There is no 'gray/ grey' area about something
something so critical to a computer working. Users are not interested in
"ahh, but you can do this to make it work", it either works, or it does not.

Phill.

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Phillip Whiteside <phillw@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Hi Goh,
>
> Grub is in a mess, and has been for a while. When it works, it works well,
> when it fails, it fails completely. This has bubbled along from 9.10 to
> 10.04 and is becoming a larger issue for 10.10
>
> As per grub / burg and the really big mess that has been made, along with
> people who help out on the forum area expressing their frustrations, can I
> suggest you have a read of
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153 I have not seen the guys
> and galz on the testing area having such a heated discussion, it is quite
> evident that there is a *major* problem that needs addressing.
>
> I have only read up on that thread today, Kansassnoob is one who I rely on
> for grub issues, if he is exclaiming his in-ability to support it, then I
> suggest you read up all you can as he is one of those I rely on when the
> tutorials do not work.
>
> I do not think it is a bug and I think it is a more fundamental issue of
>> where he puts his grub. But I don't like his tone of calling the developers
>> stupid when he himself is stupid. And if he continues in this manner, I
>> would be reluctant to help him further.
>
>
> So, you best have read on there, you will see that they have been called
> far worse by people who actually have to deal with the fall out.
>
> There are always two sides to a coin, it pays to take the time to see why
> someone is annoyed, in this case they have every reason to be so. But it is
> not a lubuntu fault, it is a grub fault which means all ubuntu shares it,
> and from the dev himself, so does debian.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Goh Lip <g.lip@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On 06/27/2010 01:57 AM, Mario Behling wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> forwarded a bug report below.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Mario
>>>
>>>
>>
>>  Hi!
>>> I cannot create Bug Report, because it I put it here...
>>> Environment:
>>> 1. Using a PC, who can be uses an USB external HDD or SSD (and can be
>>> mounted as sdb device).
>>> 2. Install Lubuntu from CD to this USB HDD (as variant, install to SDHD
>>> Flash Card, plugged into PCs CardReader), mounted as sdb1.
>>> 3. Using Parted Editing manually, and put "/" for all device space
>>> without swap.
>>> Result of Install Lubuntu:
>>> 1. After normally ended Installation Process, my PC has the MBR on FIRST
>>> HDD (!!!), but I _use not_ this device for installation Lubintu, not use
>>> it completely!
>>> 2. On my PC cannot be starts none PS' File Systems without having as
>>> plugged External Devices because MBD find it and stooped without this
>>> External HDD or SDD. It has black screen only and display Diagnostic
>>> Message on this situation.
>>> Resume:
>>> It's stupidly situation. And who is this developer, who wrote a code for
>>> use as default FIRST HDD (mounted as sda) for put MBR, but loading Grub
>>> from SECOND HDD (mounted as sdb), if the User set up as work (loadable)
>>> Device SECOND HDD or other device?!
>>> And Setup absolutely have not any position for user's choosing about a
>>> Device, who can be uses as place for the Master Boot Record...
>>> It is absolutely abnormal situation, IMHO.
>>> For example, Ubuntu (or Xbuntu) Installer has an option for choosing a
>>> place for create MBR with choosing place for Grub too.
>>> Thanks for possibility of understanding.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Mario, did not see the OP (abnormal) post on this list. But from what I
>> gather, he has installed the grub to the external disk. Naturally, there is
>> no way the system be able to boot this up.
>>
>> If he wants to permanently attach this external to his system and let the
>> system select the option to boot, he can boot up the computer OS, assuming
>> it is a Linus distro, and do a "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" on it. Then it
>> will detect the Lubuntu OS on the external and make it one of the option to
>> boot.
>>
>> If he doesn't want this to be in that option, or his computer OS is
>> windows, (and that is the impression I get), at start up, select option on
>> boot, either 'esc', F12 or F8 depending on his computer.
>>
>> I do not think it is a bug and I think it is a more fundamental issue of
>> where he puts his grub. But I don't like his tone of calling the developers
>> stupid when he himself is stupid. And if he continues in this manner, I
>> would be reluctant to help him further.
>>
>> Regards - Goh Lip
>>
>>
>>
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