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[Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>]

I dunno :^(

At one point Dmitrijs says, "for the final released 13.04 image and installs of 13.04, it should
not offer any "upgrade" options", but in the next sentence he says, "13.04 released final image should only
offer upgrades for 12.10 installations and older".

So I'm totally confused.

Lance

--- On Wed, 4/17/13, Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.skaggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.skaggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] New upgrade test - via live image
> To: "Lance" <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 5:42 PM
> Lance, the testcase in question
> covers using the raring install cd to 
> "upgrade" a quantal installation. That's supported, valid,
> and should be 
> tested :-)
> 
> That lines up with the comment on the bug as well. Right?
> 
> Nicholas
> 
> On 04/17/2013 06:17 PM, Lance wrote:
> > I think my method of communication is the problem.
> >
> > We now offer two upgrade tests:
> >
> > http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/41978/testcases
> >
> > That's true for all flavors.
> >
> > The one titled "Upgrade" is fine.
> >
> > The one I found problematic was the one titled "Upgrade
> (image)".
> >
> > Now look here:
> >
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1101073/comments/3
> >
> > At the end you'll see, "for the final released 13.04
> image and installs of 13.04, it should not offer any
> "upgrade" options. 13.04 released final image should only
> offer upgrades for 12.10 installations and older.
> >
> > At the moment this is the desired design and
> expectation."
> >
> > So I assume that all of the "Upgrade (image)" tests
> should be removed from the tracker.
> >
> > Lance
> >
> > --- On Wed, 4/17/13, Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.skaggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.skaggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] New upgrade test - via
> live image
> >> To: "Lance" <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> Cc: lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 4:20 PM
> >> This is relevant here perhaps:
> >>
> >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2013-March/002262.html
> >>
> >> The upgrade tests are intended to test the previous
> (stable)
> >> release to
> >> the current (dev) release. As xnox noted the
> ability to
> >> upgrade in-place
> >> for a dev version exists, but imho we don't want to
> test or
> >> support such
> >> a thing. The supported path is from stable to
> stable, via
> >> lts to lts or
> >> previous to next stable. If your running the
> development
> >> version like we
> >> all do :-), images are important to test to ensure
> >> installation happen
> >> properly and the installer is working correctly.
> Obviously
> >> we don't want
> >> in-cycle upgrade issues, but if they exist, they
> will only
> >> affect the
> >> testing users (if we went rolling, this would all
> be
> >> different/matter
> >> :-) ). As such, in-cycle upgrades aren't an issue
> for a
> >> final release --
> >> we want to ensure the previous->current upgrade
> path
> >> works well. In
> >> other words, for all intents and purposes, it
> doesn't matter
> >> if the Jan
> >> 18th iso install clean upgrades with today's iso or
> not --
> >> so long as
> >> quantal does so :-) Note that of course, it matters
> to some
> >> of us brave
> >> development release users, but I'm speaking for the
> majority
> >> of folks
> >> who run stable ;-).
> >>
> >> Make sense?
> >>
> >>
> >> Nicholas
> >>
> >> On 04/17/2013 04:06 PM, Lance wrote:
> >>> Major change if I'm reading this right:
> >>>
> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1101073/comments/3
> >>>
> >>> "for the final released 13.04 image and
> installs of
> >> 13.04, it should not offer any "upgrade" options.
> 13.04
> >> released final image should only offer upgrades for
> 12.10
> >> installations and older.
> >>> At the moment this is the desired design and
> >> expectation."
> >>> So maybe that upgrade test should be removed
> >> altogether???
> >>> Lance
> >>>
> >>> --- On Tue, 4/16/13, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> From: Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] New upgrade test
> - via
> >> live image
> >>>> To: "Nicholas Skaggs" <nicholas.skaggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >> lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 9:57 PM
> >>>> Just thought to add;
> >>>>
> >>>> If we move it to the desktop image testing
> it
> >> should
> >>>> possibly be "optional" rather than
> "mandatory".
> >>>>
> >>>> But my original point, which I did a poor
> job of
> >> explaining,
> >>>> is that upgrading via the live image is
> very much
> >> dependent
> >>>> on the date the image was produced rather
> than a
> >> "weekly"
> >>>> cycle :^)
> >>>>
> >>>> Lance
> >>>>
> >>>> --- On Tue, 4/16/13, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Subject: [Lubuntu-qa] New upgrade test
> - via
> >> live
> >>>> image
> >>>>> To: "Nicholas Skaggs" <nicholas.skaggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >>>> lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 9:41 PM
> >>>>> Just to catch everyone up on the
> >>>>> basics; beginning with Maverick
> ubiquity began
> >> offering
> >>>> an
> >>>>> upgrade path that's quite different
> than both
> >> the
> >>>> standard
> >>>>> upgrade via the update-mangler or via
> the
> >> alternate
> >>>> image.
> >>>>> Basically, based on my own experience,
> this
> >> option will
> >>>> only
> >>>>> be offered if you have only one Ubuntu
> based
> >> distro
> >>>>> installed. So if you're multi-booting
> two or
> >> more
> >>>> Ubuntu
> >>>>> based distros (like Xubuntu and
> Lubuntu) you'll
> >> never
> >>>> see
> >>>>> it, but I have still seen the option if
> I'm
> >>>> dual-booting
> >>>>> with either Windows or Fedora.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyway if you look at Upgrade Lubuntu
> on the
> >> QA
> >>>> Tracker
> >>>>> you'll now see two tests:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/41978/testcases
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The one that's called "Upgrade (image)"
> is the
> >> one I'm
> >>>>> talking about ;^)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So what's the problem?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, having it lumped into standard
> upgrade
> >> testing
> >>>> you
> >>>>> first see this page where it says,
> "This build
> >> is valid
> >>>> for
> >>>>> a week, starting on 2013/04/12 at 21:00
> UTC
> >> and
> >>>> finishing on
> >>>>> 2013/04/19 at 21:00 UTC.":
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/41978/testcases/1498/results
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can of course read more on the
> testcase
> >> specific
> >>>> page:
> >>>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1498/info
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So I'm thinking that this live-image
> upgrade
> >> test
> >>>> should
> >>>>> actually be moved from the "Upgrade
> Lubuntu"
> >> section to
> >>>> the
> >>>>> Desktop images tests ............ but
> I'm just
> >> thinking
> >>>> out
> >>>>> loud ATM.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's why I'm not filing a bug against
> the
> >> tracker, I
> >>>> felt
> >>>>> it best to have an open discussion
> before doing
> >> so.
> >>>>> Particularly since this is something
> rather new
> >> to
> >>>> most
> >>>>> testers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lance
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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