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[Fabien Pinckaers <fp@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 04/29/2014 07:04 AM, Oscar Alca wrote:
> Seriously man, I am a customer and a coder, I have a Enterprise License
> and this kind of answers are not helping, as a customer I'm really
> disappointed, you sell a service (Enterprise License) that includes
> maintenance of a list of features, and you are going to simpluy throw
> them away?

Yes, we throw a few features at each new version and we add a lot of new
ones. We do this because we think it's good for the quality of the product.

But, as Antony said, we always find a solution for our OpenERP
Enterprise customers. We will provide solutions on case by case when we
upgrade customers. (track_visibility, base_action_rule or dedicated module)

> what are you going to do on the migration process form V7 to
> V8, are you going to simply tell to current customers that new version
> does not have older USEFUL features and that they have to pay more money
> to have OpenERP working the way it was?

No, this is not the way we work. We always try to find an alternative
solution for every issue.

When we changed the report engine in v7, we provided a solution to
upgrade every report. When we change objects, we provide a solution for
every custom domain/ir.filters, when inherited views are broken due to
changes in the software, we usually fix them...

For audit trail, we will provide a solution to our OpenERP customers,
probably base_action_rule rules that we will setup ourself according to
the customer use of the audittrail module.

> if you are going to migrate my
> DBs to work the same/similar way with base_action_rules I have no
> problem at all, but if you don't, please be more careful with your words.

Yes, this is what we will do.

Side note for those that plan to maintain audittrail as a community
module:  I wonder if the best way is not to add a track_visibility
selection field on ir.model.fields and use them like x_... fields. It's
even easier than base_action_rule. (And we could generalize this concept
for translate=True and others fields attributes)


> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Nhomar Hernández <nhomar@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:nhomar@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     Anthony,
> 
> 
>     2014-04-28 21:25 GMT-05:00 Antony Lesuisse <al@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:al@xxxxxxxxxxx>>:
> 
>         Sorry for being rude, my point here was simply that if somebody
>         really wants something it's probably easier to work on it than
>         to convince someone else to do it.
> 
> 
>     Yes you where rude, me too! just understand your vision and mine are
>     so likely then when I complain is because i need the best for the
>     project and OpenERP and we as company. don't worry about it. 
> 
> 
>         For OpenERP Enterprise customers, our the migration service will
>         find a solution for a smooth upgrade path on specific basis.
>         (most likely base_action_rules). Maybe they will fix the module
>         to make it work for v8. But this will happen after june.
> 
> 
>     Ok, this is what I think we need to plan this migration to work for
>     the future, can you point me with who I need to talk.
> 
>     Even, my initial point was that I think the end of the road will be
>     audittrails like features (even with a new module re-using
>     base_action_rule) this is my point.
> 
>     We administer several databases, and honestly our live without
>     audittrail will be too difficult.
> 
>     Even, I was specting that you improve with more features audittrail
>     in the re-write process like audit fields, access rules failures and
>     so on.... but honestly I was really bad surprised with the total
>     removal.
>      
> 
> 
>         We decided to move auditail to extra (with other modules) as we
>         think they dont meet the quality standard for a long term
>         release and we have alternative solutions to the use case
>         (althought not fully equivalent). Auditrail in trunk is broken
>         since 1 year and the only MP about it was made by Stefan
>         Rijnhart 2 years ago.
> 
> 
>     And you can sum several open bugs over it.
> 
>     Honestly, I don't know if you did it intentional, but who kill
>     Audittrail was your self not the technical problems, with a low
>     encourga to solve bugs and no answer on it people stop use it.
>      
> 
> 
>         I want to close the merge window for v8 and we will merge wms
>         this week and new api next week (not sure 100% yet). So even if
>         we fix auditrail it will be later and the module wont be part of v8.
> 
> 
>     Understood 
> 
> 
>         Sometime i have to decide to stop supporting bad code because it
>         increase the technical debt too much. It then becomes a
>         nightmare for the openerp enterprise team to support. It
>         happened with the gtk client, and caldav in v7.
> 
> 
>     Yes I understand your point (but I can not be agreed) you have a
>     paid service, and it is mandatory IMHO have a plan of migration
>     feature per feature inmediatly a customer ask for it.
> 
>     You can not defend the "leak" of feature as little important
>     directly without try to offer solutions on your side.
> 
>     I mean, taking this case as an example, you leak of 5 or 6 features
>     to complay with everything, why not just do it instead discredit our
>     PoV as "Community" and as "Customers" (at least it was my feeling).
>      
> 
> 
>         If i'm wrong, thanks to the open source nature of openerp, then
>         i'm sure people will come to fix and maintain the code. I'm
>         actually interested by the result of the survey. I just think
>         that, often, time is better spent on code than on twitter :)
> 
> 
>     The result of the survey here:
> 
>     https://es.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-BP53Q9R/ 
> 
>      
> 
>         The good news is that after the wms merge quentin and his team
>         will work full time on improving account and account localisations.
> 
> 
>     On this point i REALLY ask you announce the branch to test new features.
> 
>     Our localizations has a lot of little features that are even
>     included in a generic way we can explain that features.
> 
>     lp:openerp-mexico-localization
>     lp:openerpvenezuela-localization 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         On 04/29/2014 02:14 AM, Antony Lesuisse wrote:
> 
>             If someone wants a version of auditrail working for v8 it
>             would be much more
>             productive to fix it than to complaint about it, make
>             surveys and spam twitter.
> 
>             The source code is on launchpad, i provided the guideline on
>             how to fix it.
>             Are you coders or whiners :) ?
> 
>             I also think lp:server-env-tools would be a good project
>             candidate to adopt
>             this module.
> 
> 
>             On 04/29/2014 01:28 AM, Antony Lesuisse wrote:
> 
>                 The v8 release is nearing and we recently moved the
>                 auditrail module to an
>                 extra addons repository.
> 
>                 We now have the _track_field mecanism and with
>                 base_action_rules you may
>                 configure additional hooks to log events.
> 
>                 The trunk version version auditrail is not just buggy it
>                 doesnt work at all on
>                 v8.
> 
>                 The main reason is that we now call the orm directly
>                 inside controllers and
>                 templates, such calls dont pass anymore by the
>                 execute_cr layer. To fix
>                 auditrail we would need to proxy the osv.Model object.
> 
>                 I think that _track_fields and base_action_rules are
>                 enough for most of the
>                 needs but it doesnt offer the same level of reporting as
>                 auditrail.log and
>                 auditrail.log.line.
> 
>                 If someone wants to fix auditrail i would recommend
>                 following:
> 
>                 - add a depends on base_action_rules
>                 - override _wrap_create and _wrap_write to call check_rules
>                 - remove the dirty monkey patching of execute below.
> 
>                 If read logging is really needed you would need to wrap
>                 read and read_group
>                 aswell. One should be aware that read logging is not
>                 complete since v6.0 as it
>                 doesnt log read_group.
> 
>                 https://code.launchpad.net/__openerp-extra
>                 <https://code.launchpad.net/openerp-extra>
> 
>                 I also moved project_long_term and document_* modules.
>                 For document_* i have
>                 made a proof of concept document_fs module that should
>                 cover most of use case
>                 of document_ftp/webdav.
> 
>                 https://code.launchpad.net/~__openerp-dev/openobject-addons/__trunk-document-fs-al
>                 <https://code.launchpad.net/~openerp-dev/openobject-addons/trunk-document-fs-al>
> 
> 
>                 On 04/28/2014 10:38 PM, Nhomar Hernández wrote:
> 
>                     Hello All.
> 
>                     We are so surprised about the exclusion of the
>                     features given by audittrail in
>                     OpenERP.
>                     Before make a public complain we exchange some
>                     comments with OpenERP and I
>                     want share with you the conclusions, but before
>                     create an opinion matrix about
>                     this change it is important for us answer this
>                     little survey
>                     <https://es.surveymonkey.com/__s/JJHCZRJ
>                     <https://es.surveymonkey.com/s/JJHCZRJ>>[1] to make
>                     assumptions based on better
>                     and real arguments.
> 
>                     Can you help us to help you?
> 
>                     Regards.
> 
>                     [1] https://es.surveymonkey.com/s/__JJHCZRJ
>                     <https://es.surveymonkey.com/s/JJHCZRJ>
> 
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