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[Olivier Girard <eolinwen@xxxxxxxxx>]

Jonathan

One word before. Tomorrow you can not have me for the daily, they are
working on the line so no electricity.And don't forgotten that Launchpad
will be only accessible in writing. So i have more time so in details now :)

*we have developed 2 different documents, the English help file and the
French help file.*
Initially, in my mind,  i was thinking that i was alone on (in fact both
with Helen).  One manual in the two languages that i will have traduced it
of course (and Helen will have done the "finition") but i was more easy for
me to developpe in french. :) In july, Helen has based the gnome template on
the draft that i have done in june. (if you can remember) and after on this
base i have developped the manual, inclueding  the Helen's tables for doing
a common manual.

*I see no reason why we can't include this French version and the English
version in the same documentation package. *
Initialy it was too the initial purpose (to have the same in the two
language) and prepare it for the international translation too.
So you can undestand why i was a little disapointed yesterday when i have
seen your message. And i have some positive feedback on the french ubuntu
forum (since october) and i have too found some volonteers (5) to tell me if
what part is good or not , not more developp, .....

*Ultimately, I'm sure they will evolve into a single document, with the best
elements of both... and then translated into many different languages.*
I'm going to do my screenshots and i will done what you want, it's you the
boss but we have a communication problem on this (sorry but that 's right).
Sur ce coup là on a pas été bons.

Here the actual help-manual structure (french version) :

introduction
                Presentation
                Features
To begin
                Run Openshot
                General organisation
                Openshot more near
Basic usages
                create a project
                open a project
                save a project
                the timeline
                to import clip in a project
                the themes
                duplication
                Mixing audio
                elementary operations on a file
                transitions
                effects
                previsualisation
                exportation video
                keyboards (table)
Advanced usages
                mixing audio (more )
                mask
                transitions
                effects
                clip properties
                                   general
                                   ..........
                                   effects
                advanced mask and transitions
                frame by frame
                key-frames
                title editor
                                  features
                                  basic usage
                                  advanced utilistation  with inkscape
                exportation tables (the great work of helen)
                                 avchd & mpeg4
                                 apple fromats
                                 phone & mobile format
                                 net exportation
                                 dvd exportation
                preferences
About openshot

To finish that what i must do :
                key-frame (part)
                preferences
                effect rotation to include to the two usages
                new screenshots (clip properties, preferences, one for the
tilte editor)
                re-read all the manual and do the little corrections
                create with the tool xml2po the pot file for the english
traduction
                do the english traduction

Just for information (somethings i 'm attached at some stupid details !) in
gedit it's done 57 pages (for the moment) and he is the 2.07 version and
soon in the 2.08 version. At the end 60-65 pages and i think that the manual
is like the project new young different. :)

Now it 's more clear what do you want to do ?
we continue on this version of the manual ? we  develop the new structure  ?
we used some or all of what has been done  ?     I'll done what you want,
decide same it's nearly finished.

Waiting
Cheers
Olivier


2009/11/30 Jonathan Thomas <jonathan.oomph@xxxxxxxxx>

> Olivier,
> I just took a look at the French version of the help file, and I am very
> impressed.  There is a ton of content in there.  I suppose the problem is...
> we have developed 2 different documents, the English help file and the
> French help file.  Rather that develop a single document, and then translate
> it.
>
> I did not realize the French version was so far along.  However, the new
> English version I am working on has just as much content now.  Hmmmm.  I'm
> going to have to sleep on this one. =)
>
> I see no reason why we can't include this French version and the English
> version in the same documentation package.  They do not have to be exact
> copies of each other at this point.  Ultimately, I'm sure they will evolve
> into a single document, with the best elements of both... and then
> translated into many different languages.
>
> Thanks!
> -Jonathan
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Olivier Girard <eolinwen@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Hello Jonathan
>>
>> I've just see you mail just before to go sleeping.
>> I think that you have not see what i have done since severals mouths. I
>> have nearly finish  the manual, in fact it miss me only one part (the
>> key-frame). I don't want to change your plans but take the time to see what
>> i have done. i'm sure now that you have not see my work.
>> download on launchpad :
>> bzr branch lp:~eolinwen/openshot/french-help-manual
>> and after you have two means to see this :
>> - yelp
>> ghelp:/home/jonathan/french-help-manual/usr/share/gnome/help/openshot/C/openshot.xml
>>
>> and the 2sd when you have the french manual on your hard drive
>> cp the folder openshot on your home and after
>> sudo mv openshot /usr/share/gnome/help
>> and open the help in openshot and enjoy
>>
>>
>> Sorry to said that but certainly the french version is more evolve that
>> your structure. After the last part i must change severals screenshots and
>> the version, i have two parts to complete and i must re-read all and done
>> some little corrections and i think it will be ready after to check it by 5
>> volonteers on the ubuntu forums.
>> After i have think to create the english xml version with the tool xml2po
>> and translate it with poedit. (like i can)
>> Just look and tell me.
>>
>> A tomorrow
>>
>> Cheers Olivier
>> 2009/11/30 Jonathan Thomas <jonathan.oomph@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>> Hi everyone!
>>>
>>> I have been working hard on Helen's help-manual branch over the past few
>>> days.  I have been following Helen's structure that was documented in the
>>> following blue print (
>>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openshot/+spec/help-manual-structure-plan-1).
>>> I will have a version of the help file ready for testing soon.  I just
>>> wanted to give everyone a heads up.
>>>
>>> @Olivier,
>>> I'm fairly certain my content changes will be disruptive to the French
>>> version of the help manual. So, I apologize if these changes mess anything
>>> up. Once we are happy with the English version, my tentative plan is to load
>>> it into LaunchPad's translation system.  Once the help manual is translated
>>> into a few languages, we should be able to auto-generate the translated
>>> docbook XML files for each locale.  The last step will be packaging it up,
>>> which Helen has already prototyped.  How does this plan sound to everyone?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Jonathan
>>>
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>>
>>
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>
>


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