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[Paul Sutton <zleap@xxxxxxxxxx>]

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I can look in to this,  I will look at how to do this and then try and
write about it

Paul

On 29/03/15 14:26, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Hi Israel and Paul,
> 
> I think most of my replies are to you, Israel, but I'm asking you,
> Paul, to add instructions into the ToriOS manual: "How to add
> persistence to a ToriOS live system".
> 
> [continuing to reply inline]
> 
> Best regards Nio
> 
> Den 2015-03-29 14:32, Israel skrev:
>> On 03/29/2015 12:31 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>> ... Hi Israel,
>>> 
>>> I don't think you replied to this mail. Did you get it? What do
>>> you think about recommending a persistent live system for this
>>> purpose?
>>> 
>>> I really think persistence is the best solution [for the
>>> current ToriOS iso file based live system], when people want to
>>> download tarballs, and there is not enough RAM, and/or they
>>> want to keep what is downloaded, installed or changed in live
>>> mode:
>> Hi Nio, I am not sure, all these e-mails have the same title, so
>> I may have missed it. Did you get my e-mail about dltbl?  I am
>> not sure you replied to that one yet either.
> 
> I don't think I got a separate mail about dltbl, just the one, that
> I replied to (where you also discussed other things), so please
> send it again :-)
> 
>>>> I think a persistent live system provides the simplest and
>>>> also the most flexible solution. It will automatically
>>>> increase the drive space, which is limited by low RAM, and at
>>>> the same time make the stored data (in this case tarballs)
>>>> survive rebooting and poweroff.
>>> -o-
>>> 
>>> Most computers, even twelve year old computers (made 2003), can
>>> boot from USB. For these computers a good alternative is to
>>> make an installed system with the OBI-installer in ToriOS and
>>> create a compressed image file of it,
>>> 
>>> ToriOS-xxx.img.xz
>>> 
>>> Such a system is easily installed with mkusb in linux and with
>>> Win32 Disk Imager in Windows
>>> 
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Win32DiskImager/iso2usb
>>> 
>>> The ToriOS compressed image file would correspond to my
>>> standard One Button Installer, which comes installed in Lubuntu
>>> Trusty when you download
>>> 
>>> http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/dd_images/dd_blank-obi_7.8GB_27_LubuntuTrusty.img.xz
>>>
>>>
>>> 
The obvious and simple alternative is to provide ToriOS tarballs to be
>>> used by the standard One Button Installer. I can prepare and
>>> update such tarballs, but please consider a ToriOS-xxx.img.xz
>>> file.
>>> 
>>> Best regards Nio
>> Many of my computers do not boot from USB, some I can shim with
>> GRUB but setting the root to the USB drive, and manually setting
>> the linux and initrd files before booting. I wouldn't think an
>> img file is as compressed as an xz file.
> 
> My compressed image files *are* compressed with xz :-D
> 
> And mkusb can install from them. In Windows you would have to
> expand them with for example 7-zip or winzip before running Win32
> Disk Imager. 7-zip is free (while I think winzip costs money
> nowadays).
> 
>> Are you suggesting that we host an img file as well as building
>> the ISO with an xz in it?
> 
> Yes, but these are separate.
> 
> A. *The ToriOS iso file should be like it is now* (only software
> updates and debugging).
> 
> B. The ToriOS compressed image file corresponds to a tarball, but
> the installing tool is mkusb, not the OBI.
> 
> 1. *The OBI is installed in a ToriOS installed system*
> (corresponding to the standard One Button Installer).
> 
> 2. *A ToriOS ready-made installed system* , I would prefer to
> deliver it with OEM (can be done if openbox is installed for that
> purpose).
> 
> Maybe we could make your script replacing OEM work also inside an 
> installed system, for example if it boots into a text screen as
> root the first time. After running your script, the user is created
> and the original user is wiped, 'booting to root' is wiped and
> everything is set up to boot into the ToriOS desktop environment.
> 
>> I do think persistence would be very nice for being able to
>> download tarballs.
> 
> And it is easy to do it :-D
> 
> @ Paul:
> 
> I suggest that you add the instructions into the ToriOS manual.
> 
>> But couldn't we also do something similar to what I suggested in
>> the dltbl e-mail of offereing to save to an external USB, or a 
>> separate USB partition, etc...
> 
> Yes, we can, but it would only be marginally easier for the user,
> if easier at all. With persistence, the user need not select the
> storage drive, it will be used automatically.
> 
>> perhaps mkusb could even add a partition for the remaining
>> freespace?
> 
> No - mkusb only [wipes the target or] copies the iso file or image
> file. No more, no less.
> 
>> Either way, I trust your opinions very much and value them.  I do
>> want to make things easy for our users, and if an img file would
>> make it easier, then I agree that we should have one.  If it will
>> make the ISO too big then we will need to host it separately.
> 
> It should be separate from the ISO file.
> 
>> Will windows disk imager be able to make an ext partition for
>> ToriOS?
> 
> No - win32 disk imager only copies the iso file or image file. No
> more, no less.
> 
> -o-
> 
> Whatever is in the iso file or image file will be copied. So if
> you provide an extra ext partition, it will also be copied by mkusb
> and win32 disk imager. Also the bootloader and partition table will
> be copied. So it is a bad idea for dual booting ;-)
> 
> If empty, it is better to create such a partition with gparted.
> 
> A home partition can be created.
> 
> An installed system with a GUID partition table can be created
> including bios_grub and EFI partitions :-P
> 
> 

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