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[Israel <israel@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I like hand coding websites personally.  You can make it do exactly what 
you want, and you don't have to rely on the security of WP (which has 
had some issues, even in recent times)
But I have been playing with HTML since the mid 90s.... so I grew up 
with it.  I also like to be able to directly influence each element, and 
control how things are set up.

And, Yes you can do what you could do with tables simply with div.
you set the width/height to a certain thing for all those div's and 
float them left.  It is more simple than tables, in my opinion... but if 
he wants to use JavaScript to build the tables and fill it with content 
because of some dynamic material I understand why he wants to use 
tables.  Some people simply like using tables, or have used them for so 
long there is no need to try something else because they work.

I also have a XP VM so I can test IE (I think it is 8... though I don't 
remember right this moment) if you need William.

On 01/18/2014 11:26 AM, JM wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 11:12:24 -0600
> Israel <israel@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > On 01/18/2014 09:58 AM, William wrote:
> > > The website so far. Pardon the graininess of the top left logo. I woke
> > > up early with an idea that led to a series of major overhauls and I
> > > was burnt out by the time I got that far. But as promised, I am
> > > putting this up today. You will also notice the text in the navigation
> > > is slightly out of alignment. Perfectly fixable, but I wanted to get
> > > this up while I had the chance since I'm sure if I will be around to
> > > mess with it anymore today.
> > >
> > > All of the pages currently have the same content. Real content,
> > > especially for the front page, is on the way - I just needed a place
> > > holder. Also pardon the Latin placeholder text.
> > >
> > > All of the items in the navigation are placeholders. While a few of
> > > them are a must, we need to determine what sub pages we actually need.
> > > This will determine the actual content that needs developed.
> > >
> > > I have tested the site in Chrome, Firefox, and Midori at
> > > 1600x900(16:9), 1280x1024(5:4) and 1280x960(4:3)
> > >
> > > As it stands, the navigation vertically stacks itself if the window
> > > becomes to small.
> > >
> > > Keep in mind:
> > >
> > > We also have a documentation wiki at wiki.torios.org and a forum at
> > > forums.torios.org/index.php. If we are going to be using the forums I
> > > am not yet sure if I am going to create a but as an external link up
> > > with the social media icons, or directly integrate it into the
> > > website, and therefor navigation. If we go with the forums we will
> > > need moderators.
> > >
> > > Here you go:
> > >
> > > http://www.torios.org/test/demo/index.html
> > The text in the table doesn't scale when on smaller sizes.
> > You should fix that in the CSS.... (though I personally don't like
> > tables... I usually use height/width percentages for divs and float: left; )
> > Since I don't like tables, I would have done the list as CSS buttons in
> > an anchor.  And done some a:hover{//color effect}
> > It also seems better to me to use responsive techniques in the padding
> > and font size.  (i.e padding: 2% 2% 1% 1%; font-size: large;)
> > Of course you need to make it work for IE also, so you may already have
> > a plan to do this stuff....
> > Unless you are using something for mobiles instead.  If you are doing it
> > you should also include the scalable part:
> >
> > <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0,
> > maximum-scale=2.0, user-scalable=yes" />
> >
> > And maybe the:
> > <link rel="apple-touch-icon-precomposed" sizes="144x144"
> > href="apple-touch-icon-144x144-precomposed.png">
> > and
> > <link rel="apple-touch-icon-precomposed"
> > href="apple-touch-icon-precomposed.png">
> > types for the mobile users.
> >
> > Also, I think using SVG would be better than png for web graphics,
> > though again there are those browser caveats like Opera Mini, the ever
> > problematic IE, etc...
> >
> > There is also modernizer, that you may also be planning to implement in
> > the future...
> >
> > I am sure you are already thinking about these things, and getting ready
> > to implement it, so I am not trying to point out the obvious. Just gave
> > you my few quick thoughts...  Oh and sharethis.com has a nice social
> > media script that also lets you gather some info back about the traffic
> > statistics though you may prefer to use your own stuff :)
> > Sorry my e-mail is so nit-picky, I know you just made this and the
> > overall design looks great.  I like the colors you used, and the way you
> > laid everything out.  So just take my blurb with a grain of salt as you
> > obviously know what you are doing and made it look great!
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't code, however I agree that tables aren't good, except… when they are needed to
> present some rows and columns. (I guess some div or span might also be fit… )
>
> I usually install Wordpress to make all my websites, because it is handy, default
> compliant with W3C, and flexible. (Not to say fast installed and started!)
>
> There are even some responsive themes provided as is, nowadays! They adapt to all
> kinds of screens, from the tiniest to the largest. They can be tweaked, it is possible to
> make child themes which will rely on the parent theme : so that if the parent theme gets
> any update, your modifications aren't overwritten!
>
> Here for instance, is a responsive theme which is free for use and free of cost:
> http://wordpress.org/themes/openstrap
>
>
> Anyhow, if you prefer coding it all, feel free. :)
>
> Regards,
> Mélodie