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[Ali Linx <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 05/22/2014 03:43 PM, Israel wrote:
> On 05/22/2014 06:15 AM, Ali Linx wrote:
> > Hola amigos,
> Hi Ali!

Hi Israel and everyone,

I'm seriously rusty ... I used to reply in 5mins ... now, I'm replying 
after 5 days :( I feel SO BAD because of that ... I don't know what is 
wrong with me :/

> > Hope everyone is fine and not sick like the poor me (nasty flu),
> >
> > Before I start taking any decision or creating any new blueprint, I'd
> > like (as I always used to do with all my projects) to think loudly
> > with my family (you) so let's see how this will develop :)
> >
> > ATTENTION:
> > These are just ideas ... NOTHING yet confirmed :)
> >
> > 1- ToriOS is supporting Non-PAE machines by default - we have already
> > agreed on that - just a reminder.
> > 2- ToriOS is always an LTS - we too agreed on that as well - just a
> > reminder.
> > 3- ToriOS will be released every 12 months NOT every 6 months like
> > Ubuntu - new idea.
> > 4- ToriOS 1.0 is based on 12.04 LTS - we have discussed that before
> > but didn't yet 100% agree on.
> Why use 12.04?  14.04 is out now, so it seems better to use it to me...
> is there a reason to use 12.04?

Yes. 14.04 has been released but that is not the issue here. The real 
issue is: I doubt that 14.04 will be a good support for really old 
machines. Logically, 12.04 should be a good choice for very old 
machines. That is the one and only reason.

Don't forget we're talking about ToriOS version 1.0 here. Version 2.0 
will be based on 14.04 :)

> > 5- ToriOS 2.0 will be based on 14.04 LTS
> > 6- nm-manager should not be used as far as I have read so far from
> > different people all of them confirmed the big RAM eater is nm-manager.
> I agree wicd is much lighter
Yes :)


> > 7- While we're targeting low hardware machines (32-bit), shouldn't we
> > also think of those who wish to try ToriOS on more powerful machine
> > (64bit)? if that so, we need two builds: i386 and amd64.
> PowerPC should also be built IMO

Are we able to cover that? I mean, do we have enough resources/manpower? 
do you think it is good idea? if truth to be told, I have never planned 
to cover that area at all. I have never thought about it.

> > 8- I need the Wiki and Docs team to write each and every post, not
> > only about the system, how to use it, system requirement, etc ... no
> > ... I'm planning to document the steps that we have done to create
> > this or will create this system and YES, I mean the technical side so
> > I guess both the docs and devs guys need to work side by side if you
> > agree on this.
> > 9- 60MB or 50MB? don't want to kill ourselves but if we could do that,
> > why not? I guess you know what I'm talking about :)
> 50 is going to be VERY hard to do...  60 is going to be stretching it
> too...
> We are going to need a window manager, and something to handle the
> desktop right?
> This will take some work to achieve 60MB

This will remain the hardest and longest challenge. I don't want to kill 
our time to achieve that and at the same time, I don't want to give up 
so easily. There should be away to do that.

> > 10- Have we thought about the ISO size? any idea how big will it be?
> > around 300MB? 400MB? less or more? AFAIK, it should never reach say
> > 600MB, right?
> As long as it fits on a CD.... smaller is better for people who have to
> download it on slow internet

Indeed. I want to help those with limited bandwidth or slow Internet. 
ToriOS is definitely not built for rich people :D :P rich people can buy 
from Apple, they won't look at GNU/Linux :P

> > 11- Where are we going to host the ISOs? do we have a host for that?
> torios.org for now.... we can put some images on some of the cloud
> storage services too, and have links to them

Can William do that? did he mention before that he can't? or that was 
someone else from another project who told me that? dammit, am I getting 
old? or it is the so many projects? haha

If we can do that, then definitely YES.

But when it comes to the Alpha and Beta ISOs, will that also be on 
ToriOS.org? I guess so ...

> > 12- As long as ToriOS is based on Ubuntu, we can test it on Virtual
> > Machine such as OracleVB, correct?
> It should work just fine

I hope :)
We need an ISO to test to make sure it will work :D

> > 13- By any chance, do we need to talk with Ubuntu/Canonical team about
> > our Project? I mean is there any kind of approval or stuff like that
> > we need? I'm talking about the technical side of our project as they
> > should have nothing to do with the other stuff but maybe they do with
> > the technical side, that is why I'm asking and we need to know IMHO.
> > 14- Alpha 1, Alpha 2, Beta 1, Beta 2 and RC? or no need for that?
> > should we just do Alpha, Beta and RC? these are milestones just like
> > what Ubuntu GNOME or Lubuntu are doing when it comes to the
> > development cycle.
> I think it is a preference thing.  At this point, Alpha Beta RC is more
> realistic, but if the devs want to do more releases, they can chime in
> and say so.

Yes, I agree. It is up to the developer(s) to decide but for me, I'm 
100% file with 3 milestones.

> > 15- I know it is hard to tell at this point but any idea when ToriOS
> > 1.0 will be available to download and use? I know I'm the one who
> > should announce that but if truth to be told, it is something that our
> > devs should advise for and we haven't yet done anything serious.
> >
> >
> > Okay, I guess that is all for now ...
> >
> > I have another ideas/Qs to think of loudly with you but that is for
> > another email as these are the non-technical stuff and should be on
> > different email :)
> >
> > Thank you!


Thank you!

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