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[Israel <israel@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 11/02/2014 01:47 AM, Ali Linx wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dfc64j7wy2ygow0/ToriOS-alpha.iso?dl=0
> MD5SUM: 8c525b2d5fa7972e1dfbd4541c0f2fbe
>
> This Feedback is about running ToriOS LiveCD:
>
> -----------
> LiveCD
> -----------
> (1) When I click on the time and date, a pop up small window shows up
> with clock. Can we change that? I don't find this useful at all. Is it
> possible to see a calender for example? just like other systems?
>
Yes I have been meaning to change it from xclock to
zenity --calendar
> (2)  I liked the menu :) it only shows the available categories and
> apps :) much better. I wonder if we add an application later, will
> that be added? let's try this.
>
It should... as long as 'update-menus' is run it will update the menu :)
> (3) Menu > Network > Mail Client = does not work.
> And, we do not need a mail client neither with the LiveCD nor the
> installed system. Remember, we are offering a base system so the user
> can start to build his/her own system.
>
the mail client is built into seamonkey.  it should not be on the
LiveCD... sorry :P
> (4) Links 2 does not show pictures - I tested www.torios.org
>
it shows images, but not svg... I am not entirely sure how to configure
links2 to show that as well
> (5) Memory usage on the idle desktop with htop opened: 68MB
>
> (6) When I do: Menu > Network > Wicd Network Manager: it takes 78MB so
> +10MB more.
>
> (7) I don't like Bitmap and I'd vote to remove it. Not sure though
> which alternative we should use?!
>
bitmap is included with xload (the cpu monitor) xcalc xman xedit xmag
etc... they are simple lightweight apps ALL bundled in X11-apps.... you
also have a program called xeyes and a few others....


> (8) I don't know why I can not install Synaptic from the terminal and
> I don't know why it is not included on the LiveCD?
>
why would synaptic be installed on a LiveCD?  A CD is read-only so you
wont be able to install anything.
> (9) I can't install any application from terminal: I always get:
>
> Reading package lists ... error!
> E: Write error - write (28: No space left on device)
> E: Can't mmap any empty file
> E: Failed to truncate file - ftruncate (9: Bad file descriptor)
> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
>
> Yes, this is from the LiveCD.
>
CD = read ONLY :)  you cannot install to a CD... sorry
> (10) GParted worked.
>
yes... I hacked it on the liveCD to not use pkexec... as adding all that
other stuff in makes it bigger and use more memory
> (11) Menu > System > Startup Program, Desktop Settings, Font Settings,
> Icon Settings, Keyboard Settings, Mouse Settings, Panel Settings and
> Window Settings = don't work
hmm... that is odd...
> Theme Settings = works
>
> JWM Settings Manager = works
>
> And, if I try to launch all the above tools/programs from "JMW
> Settings Manager" ... they don't work as well. Only Theme Settings.
>
> Wait ...
>
> I chose a theme: GNOME 2 Light Theme and the desktop and the panel
> disappeared.
> Had to reboot.
>
> When I rebooted and logged in again to the Live Session, all the above
> tools worked. I couldn't get them to start before, now, I can. I will
> try to re-produce that bug/behavior.
>
weird.
> (12) I can't open files on the LiveCD: whether these files are pdf,
> images, text ... I just can't open these nor I can see any option on
> the menu to 'Open' a file :( this is not new. I have experienced that
> before with the previous builds.
>
Is this in the file manager?   Rox is a strange file manager... you can
open them by simply clicking on them.  Or if they are scripts you can
open them by choosing 'open as text'

You can assign programs for Rox to use for certain things....  and I
have tried to automate that for certain things...
> (13) Is there another power manager rather than xfce power manager?
> just asking .. not that there is something against xfce but just
> wondering. If there is a lighter manager maybe?
>
there are ways to manage the power without using that program.  However
I do not have the time (or will right now) to go about
compiling/packaging making a PPA for any more programs...  If anyone has
the time to do this let me know :)
otherwise it will have to wait, as I have too much going on in real life.
> (14) I clicked "reload desktop" and RAM usage is 62MB now.
>
> (15) Auto-Start programs when I tried to run it, it crashed the
> desktop so the wallpapes disappeared and got blank and black
> wallpaper. Reload the desktop fixed it.
>
> (16) From JWM Manager, I chose Panel and when I did, the desktop
> crashed again and everything was keep restarting or flashing .. the
> wallpaper, the panel and the two running windows (htop window and
> Setting Manager window) and after 1-2 mins, it became stable again. I
> repeated the previous step twice and got the same behavior. I can see
> it is restarting the power manager, the volume, the network, etc and
> it is fast but not very so I still can read what is going on. Not sure
> what is going on?! okay, tried that for the 3rd time and now,
> everything is frozen including the mouse cursor. I need to reboot the
> VM now.
>
That is really odd.
I have not experienced this issue... so I will have to figure out what
is wrong.
If you can reproduce this on the installed system please let me know.

> Okay, VM rebooted and it seems something has crashed yet again (Menu >
> JWM Manager > Panel).
>
> (17) I decided to stop playing with the Live CD and install the system.
> I chose the advanced way in OBI and I chose the partitions manually.
>
> System installed now.
>
> That is my full report for the Live CD.
>
> Is there anything else specific that I need to do? if yes, let me
> know, please :)
>
> Summary:
> It is getting better and better everytime I'm asked to test. WELL
> DONE! can't wait to see Beta ;)
>
> Suggestion:
>
> (1) If Beta is out with as minimum bugs as possible, we might ask
> people to install ToriOS on real hardware and if we failed to do that,
> we could do that ourselves. If we can stay with Beta for 1-3 months,
> with many using it, this is great way to improve the system and get
> people involved. When they hear Alpha, they stay away. Beta should
> make people more comfortable with a proper marketing ;) this will buy
> some time for us.
>
sounds good
> (2) I'd suggest starting from Beta to use Launchpad to report bugs
> against ToriOS. This will be helpful for us and make us more open with
> people. Also, it means we are serious and we are working professionally.
>
That will be easier when we have a Meta package.
You can of course report bugs against the settings manager in launchpad,
as that is where the bug tracking software is... or I suppose on github
if you like... as the code is also there.
> I guess that is all for now ...
>
> Thank you!
>
>


-- 
Regards

-Israel
ToriOS Team