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["Ali/amjjawad" <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxxx>]

FYI :)

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Ali/amjjawad <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I'm very glad to see the mailing list is very active and we're actually
> discussing many topics. That's a great sign and an amazing start for a new
> year. 2015 was an amazing year for me but I am planning to make 2016 even
> better. 2015 for ToriOS was very good for sure but we're looking forward
> for my achievements and more great stuff.
>
> This is a DRAFT for my latest vision and thoughts about ToriOS Project
> from A-Z. I'll do my best to make it as short as possible. The topics I'm
> going to discuss is my final word/thought. While this is a draft and open
> for voting, it's NOT open for LONG discussion. I am going to base my
> thought and decisions *on everything happened with ToriOS* from day 1
> until this very moment.
>
>
> *1-ToriOS Development*
> *1-1- ToriOS Philosophy:* ToriOS is built for very old Non-PAE machines
> that can still work and be useful AND for those who prefer more freedom and
> control over their system. We're offering them a very minimal system with
> fully working GUI and many basic yet powerful features. Users can use
> ToriOS as it is without adding anything OR they have the option to build
> their system the way they prefer.
>
> *1-2- ToriOS Base: *ToriOS is based on Ubuntu's Kernel for many reasons,
> including but not limited to: (a) Ubuntu is very well-known supported and
> community project. (b) Very easy to use and modify. (c) Technical wise, it
> supports so many machines and has so many drivers. (d) It is a good start
> for a young project like ToriOS to start from Ubuntu rather than other
> complicated (less or more) options. We have decided to build 1.0 on 12.04.5
> which is supported until April, 2017. It's too early to worry about 2.0
> while we have not yet released 1.0, specially when we have only 1 or 2
> developers only working on their free/spare time.
>
>
> *1-3- ToriOS developers: *At the beginning of the project, some people
> let us down, twice. That was about to kill the project as there was no one
> with enough skills to start working on it. However, thanks to Israel who
> was super brave to step in and started to learn more about development and
> with the help of Nio and some others, they managed to put together ToriOS
> 0.9 which has come a very long way. I can't believe how great ToriOS looks
> right now! great work and amazing efforts. Despite that, it is no secret we
> need 'more' people to join the development and help to make ToriOS even
> better. It's also no secret that we have no full-time developer. Sometimes,
> we have to wait for more than a week to do something due to real life
> priorities.
>
>
> *1-4- ToriOS and Ubuntu: *Some concerns have been discussed lately. I
> shall have a chat with Canonical and Ubuntu people and keep you posted
> hopefully soon.
>
>
> *1-5- ToriOS and Launchpad: *We're depending on Launchpad in almost
> everything: (a) ToriOS Team https://launchpad.net/~torios. (b) ToriOS
> mailing list torios@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx . (c) ToriOS Project
> https://launchpad.net/torios with bugs and blueprints enabled with more
> features. (d) ToriOS Website Project https://launchpad.net/torios-website
> with bugs and blueprints enabled with more features. (e) ToriOS Development
> and QA Team https://launchpad.net/~torios-dev . As long as Launchpad is
> offering all the features we do need, I don't want to migrate to any other
> platform. While it's okay to use secondary platforms, that should not waste
> our time nor efforts. We should plan and act wisely.
>
>
> *2-ToriOS Website*
> *2-1- ToriOS Domains: *https://lists.launchpad.net/torios/msg02180.html .
> It means we have tried twice and failed to keep our website up and running.
> Now, we don't own torios.org nor torios.net and neither have up and
> running website. I have decided to stop wasting time and forget about these
> two completely. I have also decided to skip the boring details. Too much
> stress, hassle and headache to talk about that topic. Now, we have
> torios.top and that is owned by me, the founder of this project.
>
>
> *2-2- ToriOS Website Platform: *With torios.org, we have used HTML and
> CSS. That was not good option at all and needless to say, it wasted so much
> of our time. With torios.net, we moved to wordpress but due to the fact
> that the server where torios.net was hosted on, it was managed by non
> professionals and volunteers, we had so much technical issues. I have
> decided to use WordPress (I have maybe more than 10 websites running
> WordPress) but also open the door for anyone who wishes to build a website
> for ToriOS from scratch and here is the project on Launchpad:
> https://launchpad.net/torios-website but please, keep in mind that would
> be a side project. I mean, the website of ToriOS must be up and running
> ASAP but whoever is interested, he/she can start developing a new one and
> once that is done, we can review it and then decide what to do.
>
>
>
> *2-3- ToriOS Hosting Server: *Since this topic has created a long debate,
> I have decided to host ToriOS website on my server that I'm not yet sure
> how will pay for it (Yes, I'm screwed up financially big time) and here is
> it: http://torios.top/ - whoever needs access, please let me know.
>
>
> *2-4- ToriOS Website Philosophy: *"Less is More" and "KISS" are the two
> main concepts we shall follow whenever we're building a website whether
> it's WordPress or something else and whether the hosting server is
> commercial or not. Why? because that's the philosophy of ToriOS project
> itself and our website must reflect that.
>
>
> *2-5- ToriOS ISO hosting: *I can't host any ISO on the server I'm using
> now for ToriOS website. However, that should not be a problem. I am sure
> there are many other alternatives. Once I understand more from Kris what
> and why, if and only if it is possible to host at least 1 main ISO, I shall
> let you know. Meanwhile, we can find another host for the ISO.
>
>
>
> *3-ToriOS Team Communication**3-1- ToriOS Mailing List: *One of the
> features that Launchpad offers is the mailing list
> torios@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and ToriOS has been using this since day 1.
> There are of course, just like anything in life, plus and minus: (a) Emails
> are great way to keep in touch when you have a team from all over the world
> with different time zones but sometimes, too much emails and too much
> threads create some pain and headache. (b) There is a public archive for
> our mailing list https://lists.launchpad.net/torios/ and while that is a
> good way to keep everything opened, it also means everyone around the world
> if he/she has the link, he/she can read everything which means we have no
> privacy whatsoever. (c) While emails are great for reports and feedback,
> it's very bad for long discussions and brainstorming. These are, IMHO, the
> main points about emails and mailing list.
>
>
> *3-2- ToriOS IRC Channel: *#torios on freenode was a quiet area and we
> only used it when we had our weekly meeting in the past which we have
> stopped that at the moment, not sure why? guess because everyone is busy.
> Despite how many times I have tried myself to be active on IRC, I couldn't
> for many reasons. Mainly, IRC is a great tool/way to do real-time chat but
> it's also confusing and not hassle-free. For me, I need to pay great
> attention specially if people are chatting about many topics at the same
> time on the same channel. I've been there and I always got a headache. Not
> to mention, I need to be on my computer to be able to chat, send links,
> etc.
>
>
> *3-3- ToriOS Social Media Channels: *We actually never used these
> channels to communicate between each other at all. We used these channel to
> promote ToriOS only. And, even if anyone of us might think to use these
> channels, I must say that these channels are NOT designed nor built to be
> used for any project or team management. I have tried that before with
> different project and failed big time. These channels are not for that at
> all.
>
>
> *3-4- ToriOS Slack Team: *I have created a new team on Slack for ToriOS
> to be used as another platform when the above mentioned platforms fail to
> deliver the expected. Please, before judging and assuming, kindly watch
> this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivn5jfKE_5M you'll understand how
> Slack beat all the above mentioned platforms and offers a great way to keep
> everything in one place. Needless to say, there is an application for smart
> phones (Apple and Android) and it's amazing and great. Not to mention, you
> can upload any file you want and share it within 1-2 seconds. With mailing
> list, there is always the file size limit and with IRC, it's even harder
> and you can share links easier than files. It is private which means people
> outside your Slack team will not see each and every bit of your discussion.
> It's very very very neat and organized. To keep it short, please watch the
> youtube I attached and the screenshot I am sending with this email.
>
>
I find Slack is a great platform for a much better communications.

I was so lucky 2 days ago to hear Israel's voice. That would never happened
without me logging to IRC and catch up with him. Despite our time zones are
super different, we managed to catch up.

Slack is the very enhanced IRC alike platform. I'd NOT vote to ignore the
mailing list and stick to Slack but I highly recommend you give it a try.

Me, Israel and Paul are on Slack.

If you wish, send me an email so I could invite you.

It is NOT like the mailing list where everyone can join by clicking a
button. I need to manually invite people by their emails.

So again, if you wish, send me an email with the email ID you wish to get
an invite to.

Do a Google search and learn more about Slack.

Even Ubuntu's Community have one ;)
And I am about now to setup new one for Ubuntu GNOME!




>
> *4-ToriOS Marketing*
> As I mentioned https://lists.launchpad.net/torios/msg02197.html I shall
> create new channels and add those who are interested to help managing it
> but the priority now for the website. Once we finish building our website
> and that should not take ages, few days only, we shall link the new created
> accounts with our website so whenever we shall publish any post under our
> blog, the website will automatically share these posts to 6 different
> social media channels with one click, thanks to Jet Pack plugin. We surely
> need people to help us in this area.
>
>
>
> *5-ToriOS Documentation*
> I am not sure where exactly are we when it comes to documentation? I trust
> Paul has the answer for that. I am not worried because we have worked on
> that area while developing, testing and promoting ToriOS which means, I
> hope once we finish developing 1.0, the guide and all the other
> documentation resources are ready upon the official release.
>
>
> *6-ToriOS Testing and QA*
> Long story short, without our testers, we would never make it so thank you
> very much for everything :)
>
>
> *7-ToriOS Donation*
> I have decided to add "Donate" tab or page on our NEW website and start
> asking people for help. I have decided to invest whatever we might receive
> into ToriOS development and to be more specific, I am thinking to offer
> that to Israel because he's the most dedicated person to this project and
> the one who has gone the extra miles over and over again to help this
> project. I mean, seriously without his help and direct contribution, ToriOS
> would never reach 0.9 at all. Once we get more donation, we can invest that
> somewhere else as well. Yes, I have lots of plan for ToriOS but let's take
> it one by one ;) the journey of 1000 miles starts with 1 step.
>
> Once we have donation, we can decide where to invest that.
>
> It is very important to be honest and clear with everyone as where the
> money will go and why? and I think NO ONE would ever disagree with this
> idea.
>
> Imagine what if Israel's machine will die. Can you please tell me how on
> earth he can keep working on ToriOS?
>
> Ubuntu MATE accepts donation and many other projects as well. While ToriOS
> is non-profit project, we surely must accept donation.
>
> Again, if it is not for the development, there are many other areas where
> we can invest the money in. Let the money come-in first ;)
>
>
>
>
> *-----------------------------------------------*
> My apology if this email is very long but I decided to invest my time
> toady, to be more specific this week, on ToriOS. I hope everything is clear
> and easy to understand. If you have any Q, please ask.
>
> Again, all the above decisions are open for voting BUT not for long
> endless debate. Again, each and every project or organization must have a
> leader and a system. Without these two, chaos will take over. I am sure no
> one wants that.
>
> That's all what I have in mind at the moment. In case I have something
> else to mention, I'll let you know.
>
> Thank you!
>
> P.S.
> I must log out now. I have worked so hard at the garden and didn't yet
> take a bath. I wanted to finish this email first and then go. If there are
> some spelling mistakes, forgive me ;)
>
>
>
> --
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>
> Best Regards,
> Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
>
>


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