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[Paddy Landau <paddy@xxxxxxxxx>]

Kevin, thank you for the distinctions.

An example of click-and-hold, then, would be the spray paint in GIMP.

The term "drag" has been in use at least since Windows 3.1 (probably
before even Windows was invented), which is several computer generations
and one human generation ago. I think everyone, even newbies, will
understand "drag".

It would be good to have "drag" in the Glossary, however, for those very
rare people who are using Ubuntu as their introduction to computers.

Therefore, my vote is to adopt Kevin's suggested use.

Paddy

On 11/06/12 19:01, Kevin Godby wrote:
> Hello.
>
> The GNOME Documentation Style Guide mentions both terms.
> <http://developer.gnome.org/gdp-style-guide/2.32/gdp-style-guide.html#gnome-glossary-user-actions>
>
> “Click-and-hold” means to press and hold the left mouse button on an
> item.  Example: “Click-and-hold the left mouse button to initiate the
> capture area.”
>
> “Drag” means to click a mouse button on an object, hold the mouse
> button, and move the mouse to move the object.  Example: “Drag the
> launcher to the panel.”  They also note that you should avoid using
> the term “drag and drop.”
>
> I would suggest using the term “click-and-hold” when
> clicking-and-holding itself causes something to happen (e.g., a menu
> to appear or more paint sprayed on the canvas) and using “drag” when
> you're actually dragging an item from one location to another
> location.
>
> Does that help any?  (If everyone is generally happy with that sort of
> distinction, I can add it to the style guide. If not, we can discuss
> it a bit more.)
>
> --Kevin
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Hannie Dumoleyn
> <lafeber-dumoleyn2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hi Paddy,
>> That is a good question.
>> In the following examples:
>> =========
>> To move a tab to a different location on the tab bar, drag it there using
>> your
>> mouse. Click-and-hold on the tab and drag the tab to a new place on the tab
>> bar.
>> To move a tab from one Firefox window to another already open win-
>> dow, click-and-hold on the tab and drag it to the tab bar on the other Fire-
>> fox window.
>> ========
>> I think the click-and-hold is right, because it explains that you first have
>> to click on the tab and hold down the mouse button, then drag it to its
>> destination. Beginners do not always know that dragging means you have to
>> click-and-hold first.
>> I send this question and answer to the mailing list, because I want to know
>> what others think about this.
>> Hannie
>> P.s.: if you join our channel #ubuntu-manual every once in a while, you can
>> ask this kind of questions directly.
>>
>> Op 11-06-12 14:35, Paddy Landau schreef:
>>
>>
>>
>> A few times, I have seen the phrasing "click-and-hold" when talking about
>> dragging something.
>>
>> Shouldn't we use "drag" rather than "click-and-hold"? It is an old,
>> well-used phrase in Windows, Mac and Linux. It also applies to
>> touch-screens, where "click" does not make sense.
>>
>> In like fashion, I have tended to replace "click" with "select" where
>> appropriate.
>>
>> Paddy
>>
>>
>>
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