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[Jim Connett <jimandmarcy@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hannie,

Thank you for your quick reply, and your support!

I regret my statement about removing Nautilus from the manual...it was
unfounded and premature...going to "Help | About" showed that Nautilus was
still present. Duh...why didn't I think about checking there? I seemed to
have been attributing Nautilus' "perceived" differences to what I now
understand to be slight influences of Unity 3D and/or Unity 2D on this
application's 'look and feel'.

I did some research today on the difference between the two shell
interfaces. I appear to be running Unity 3D (based on a list of differences
between 2D and 3D I was able to find online---if someone has a command-line
way to see what interfaces are installed and in use, let me know!)

Because there may be differences between what someone may see in 2D vs 3D,
I added a 'warning' tag at the beginning of the Nautilus section
essentially reminding the reader that the following information (including
screenshot) is (now) based on Unity 3D. Maybe this warning should go into
the first subsection of this chapter where Unity is first discussed, since
Unity influences everything it displays?! I then went through and read each
line and tested each command, making changes to menu names and other slight
tweaks as needed.  Since you are the original author, could you take a few
minutes to work through the Nautilus section again to see if it makes
sense? Maybe someone else who has 3D can do this as well.

I just finished committing and pushing rev 14 to precise-e2 with ALL the
changes.

Two side-notes:

   - I still could not push to bzr. So, I saved ubuntu-desktop.tex to
   another folder on my computer, deleted my local precice-e2 folder, pulled
   the current branch down again, then copied the contents of my
   ubuntu-desktop.tex to the one just received, committed the file, then
   pushed, and it worked---I think.  Thanks to Carsten for the GUI
   recommendation...this seems to work a lot better for me as I did the above
   commit and push without issues from BZR Explorer.
   - I did find in a couple of different resources online stating this is
   the last LTS where 2D will be supported.  With 12.10, 3D is the
   one-and-only Unity shell, so we need to be watching for these differences
   in our 12.10 manual.

Thanks.

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Hannie Dumoleyn <
lafeber-dumoleyn2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  Hi Jim,
> First of all, thank you for what you have done so far in chapter 2. I am
> responsible for the Nautilus section, so I will answer a few of your
> questions.
> Nautilus is still very much present in my Precise (Unity 2D) version. When
> I open a folder and click info in Menu Help > Info I see: Nautilus 3.4.2. I
> also checked (most of) what was written in the Nautilus section in my
> Precise version and what is described in the manual is correct, at least on
> my PC with Ubuntu 12.04 installed. I have asked two questions on this list
> where I was not sure because I have Unity 2D (not 3D).
> So, could you please give some examples of commands and features that have
> not been described correctly in the manual (12.04)?
> When you type Nautilus in the Dash, you see your personal folder and when
> you open this, you open Nautilus. Perhaps we could mention this in the
> manual.
> Greets,
> Hannie
>
> Op 28-07-12 20:23, Jim Connett schreef:
>
> Good day!
>
>  I took about three hours today and made a first pass through the Ubuntu
> Desktop chapter of precise-e2.
>
>  *What command do I use to push these changes to the e2 branch without
> interfering with the main, 12.10 branch.*
>
>  I used Kevin's feedback from Matt Thomas at Canonical as the "key" for
> the names of the desktop elements.
>
>  Of course...questions have arisen:
>
>    1. *"Dash" or "the Dash"?  *
>    2. *"Launcher" or "the Launcher"? *
>
>  I also recommend we add "titlebar" to the style guide (similar to what
> was done for "toolbar").
>
>  Finally, this chapter describes the Nautilus file manager, but most of
> the commands and features have changed in 12.04, and what is contained in
> this chapter regarding Nautilus is not correct. When I use Dash to search
> for 'nautilus', the home folder and files folder appear (so it seems like
> the Nautilus engine is there) and when I click on either icon, I get a
> dramatically different interface than was I've seen with Nautilus in
> previous Ubuntu releases.  So I think that while the functionality is still
> there, the UI for what we are calling "Nautilus" has dramatically changed.
> Does this make sense?  If so, about a 100 lines will need to be rewritten
> in this chapter...UGH! I can't get to it until next week (unless someone
> else wants to take it on!)
>
>  *Does the "Nautilus" section need a rewrite? Should we use the term
> "Nautilus" at all? Does a rewrite even make sense--can't the Nautilus
> section just be deleted?*
>
>  Thanks.
> --Jim
>
>
>
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