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[Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx>]

SIP calling from the dialer app is no different than SIP calling from a 3rd
party app, realistically. I already suggested this as a solution to his
problem. Adding SIP to the dialer app, I have no problem with. The problem
is that you cannot integrate WiFi calling through the carrier's network
unless they let you. (as in, using your phone number that is registered to
the carrier, the number that the carrier is billing you for. You can make
all of the VOIP/SIP calls you want through their network, but that's subtly
different, and apparently not what the OP wants.)


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Sam Segers <sam.sgrs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> An extension to the dialer that is accessible to app would be nice.
> Something like a setting that says "Call with carrier/Call with
> Skype/Always ask" when such an app is installed. Also support for
> SIP-accounts would do what Greg W asks. This is already included in many
> phones, probably yours to.
>
>
> 2013/7/30 Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx>
>
>> This is not a simple request, and there is a lot of political reasoning
>> that would rather WiFi calling not be possible for the average user. We
>> don't have access to the internal pieces of their network required for any
>> of us to implement this technology and put them at a disadvantage. T-Mobile
>> already has phones that do this anyways, unlocked or not, so they wouldn't
>> be at a disadvantage to us even if we hacked their network to support this
>> feature.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Josh
>> On Jul 30, 2013 8:35 AM, "Greg W" <mttbrnsmls@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> I intended that Cellular vs WiFi antennas would be switched on/off
>>> manually. For example, in iOS 7 there is the new Control Panel. It would be
>>> a simple manner to swipe up and then tap whatever antenna/s to
>>> enable/disable at will. User's choice whether to use Cell/WiFi.
>>>
>>> I don't use Skype because its security is compromised. [Other
>>> communications can be made secure with Red Phone, Silent Circle etc).
>>> Although being able to use the same phone number for both Cellular and WiFi
>>> would seem important, Apple allows iGadget users to do Facetime-Audio and
>>> iMessage solely over WiFi using an email address. I would have already run
>>> out and bought an iPhone if Facetime-Audio and iMessage would work across
>>> all devices and not just iDevices. Seems like the industry could figure out
>>> a way to have the same cellular number work over Cell & WiFi. Then WiFi
>>> could be used to call VOIP phones etc.
>>>
>>> It seems like if the industry got behind this (or Ubuntu Edge is
>>> successful & pushes this feature--the industry would have to respond
>>> because other phones that don't offer this service would be at a
>>> disadvantage). If I look at T-Mobile, none of its WiFi calling phones are
>>> unlocked. Couldn't open-source offer a carrier-specific package to download
>>> that could add this capability to the phone depending on which carrier it's
>>> for?
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: coder543@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:13:03 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] WiFi Calling - most wanted mobile-phone
>>> feature
>>> To: mttbrnsmls@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> CC: ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> WiFi calling can already be done on all existing smartphones (Ubuntu
>>> phone not yet included) by 3rd party applications. What you suggest *
>>> cannot* be integrated with your carrier unless they choose to build
>>> that functionality into the phone as an app. Look into Line2, Skype, Viber,
>>> and similar applications. You would have to have a phone number separate
>>> from your carrier, and use that as your primary phone number at all times. Republic
>>> Wireless <http://www.republicwireless.com/> offers WiFi calling.
>>> T-mobile does as well<http://t-mobile-coverage.t-mobile.com/4g-wireless-broadband-service>.
>>> It depends on the phone having special software to allow it to happen...
>>> software that Canonical can't build into Ubuntu phone for all carriers, it
>>> has to be done by them.
>>>
>>> Automation of enabling and disabling the cellular antenna could probably
>>> be done with a little scripting, but that's of little use to the average
>>> person, which is why it isn't available. On Android, this would be
>>> remarkably easy to do.
>>>
>>> Ubuntu Edge isn't even funded yet. Nothing has prevented it from doing
>>> anything yet.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Greg W <mttbrnsmls@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> My most desired mobile-phone feature is being able to make and receive
>>> calls over a WPA2 secured WiFi network. This is a feature I wish the Ubuntu
>>> Edge offered. I'd take WiFi Calling over any other mobile-phone
>>> feature/technology.
>>>
>>> My hope is that one day soon mobile-phone tech can provide Voice over
>>> WiFi. I'd like to be able to do the following:
>>> -disable the Cellular Antenna when at home/work but have the WiFi
>>> antenna enabled.
>>> -enable the Cellular Antenna when away from home/work & have WiFi
>>> antenna disabled
>>>
>>> This would remove congestion from cellular networks and also eliminate
>>> poor coverage problems within buildings and rural home areas. This is the
>>> feature/tech I want more than any other in the mobile-phone market.
>>>
>>> Are companies working towards providing this feature? Why isn't more
>>> being done to bring this capabilitiy to mobile phones? What prevented
>>> Ubuntu Edge from offering this feature?
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sincerely,
>>>     Josh
>>>
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-- 
Sincerely,
    Josh