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Re: Idea: consider crowdfunding UBports project
both the Pro 5 and the M10 are very promising candidates to become
official devices, but we can't promise anything yet. The reason why some
devices will only be continued as "legacy devices" is not that we don't
want to support them, it's due to hard- and firmware limitations. Since
the new software is not created yet, we can't be sure...
Hold on to your device for now, even if it's not a Pro 5 or M10. We will
definitely publish new images for all devices before the end of
Canonicals support in two months!
All the best,
On 16.04.2017 16:09, Tomas Öqvist wrote:
could you be a bit more specific about the Pro 5 and the M10? A
comment to your blog post suggests that the M10 will not get any
UBports update, or did I misinterpret? What about the Pro 5 also not
being a 'legacy device', does that mean that my current daily driver
will get official status or be abandoned?
I totally understand if you won't be able to support all devices out
there, but I was kind of hoping for the Pro 5 being such capable piece
Thanks for your effort and of course I am a patreon of this project!
söndag 16 april 2017 skrev NeoTheThird <neo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> i can't wipe away your allegations, but i can try to put them in
> You have a point there. Ubuntu Touch is very unstable in many areas
and that will have to change. Our target audience are Linux users and
that won't change for the foreseeable future. If your grandmother
doesn't know how to bring up a terminal and execute a script to flash
her device, Ubuntu Touch is not for her. UBports only has a very small
team of volunteer developers, so marketing to Dorothy Default and Gabe
Generic does not make sense right now, it would just cause confusion
and disappointment. It's not feasible to make something for everyone
without a large team and lots of funding, at least not right now.
Remember the early days of Android? Then you know what i'm talking
about. Ubuntu Touch devices being sold to consumers too early is one
of the reasons why this project did not take off as planned. I agree
with you there: UT needs *a lot* of polish and testing. Calling, SMS,
WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS and AGPS, essential apps - those are all on our
to-do list. We won't get it stable until tomorrow or the day after
tomorrow. So until it's really really good, we're targeting the nerds.
> About that russian hacker comment: You can't be sure, i could be
lying to your face right now. Remember that UBports was already a
thing before Canonical ditched Ubuntu Touch. There are devices running
our images out there right now, so we could already be back-dooring a
lot of devices, maybe even yours. I like your shirt, btw, but you
really need to clean your apartment.
> The thing is: It would not make sense to put all the effort of
integrating back-doors in such a niche OS. Vault 7 shows that there
are back-doors in many Devices at a layer below the Kernel, so why
would we even bother? Also, it's all free software, so all the code
(except the hardware enablement blobs that are not written by us but
by the device manufacturers) can be checked by third parties and the
risk of getting caught spying on people is pretty high.
> No, seriously, you have a point. We understand that it might be
difficult for many people to put there trust in a project run by some
random nerds from the Internet. But we're trying to be as transparent
as possible. All code that ships is open source. We try to answer all
the questions in our bi-weekly Community Q&A
(https://blog.ubports.com/2017/04/15/community-qa.html). We share our
financial details with our Patreon supporters (Except the 10 Million
rubels we recieve from the KGB each month of course).
> I hope that answers some of your questions. If you have any
suggestions how we can improve transparency and accountability, feel
free to raise your voice.
> All the best,
> Jan Sprinz, aka. NeoTheThird, community manager at UBports
> On 16.04.2017 14:40, Marcin Xc wrote:
> Money is not enough. I think this project died for the same reason
as Ubuntu Edge did: poor organization and managing skills. Programing
consist of a few levels. Some people here seem to completely ignored
them. Someone just wakes up and says "hey, I have an idea:
convergence" ignoring the very basics that would let the idea grow.
> I wrote it already once: I wouldn't invest a penny in a project
without clean rules. These rules would be:
> 1. Ringing, reliable phone with sms, offline/google independent
contact synchronization, alarm clock FOR EVERYONE (also my daughter,
Mother, G-mother, not only for a geek) just like this one:
> 1a. testing
> 2. Bluetooth, wifi, etc, etc
> 2a testing
> 3. Additional apps + convergence
> I would invest in a project like this.^
> We should have right from the start a reliable device which would
grow. What happened was development of fully unreliable device.
> I will not invest neither my time nor money in a project developed
by people who wake up and code. Try to use "Activity Tracker" on UT if
You want to know what I mean. Full respect for a developer... who
wasted his time because of UT system policies.
> Now if the project is not traded through Canonical brand I'm not
sure if one of You will not be a Russian hacker - doing a perfect work
but backdooring devices. Or even if not perhaps again through people
filled with passion but going different ways. Give me the reason to
support this behaviour?
> How wil You brush aside my allegations?
> Best regards
> From: Vincas Dargis <vindrg@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:vindrg@xxxxxxxxx>>
> To: ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 10:34 AM
> Subject: [Ubuntu-phone] Idea: consider crowdfunding UBports project
> I am user of BQ Aquaris E5, which is my actually first ever smart
phone, and I am deeply saddened that Canonical had to
> end Ubuntu Phone project. I am very thankful for them for creating
this awesome, free operating system for smart phones,
> with convergence with Desktop, which I am really not ready to leave
it in the drawer. Big thanks to them!
> I have discovered that UBports project, which is continuing Ubuntu
Phone developing, has Patreon site  to collect
> funds for it's development, and for the main goal they set to have
full time developer working on system we love.
> I am encouraging you to consider funding UBports by becoming
patreons to help them continue Ubuntu Phone development.
> There are actually lot's of free software projects and their
supporting organizations that needs our money too, may it
> be Debian and Ubuntu, or maybe Free Software, Document and Linux
Foundations, but these mentioned have already their
> stones set, meanwhile UBports really needs a kickstart (pun
intended? :-) ).
> Thanks for hearing.
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