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[Chan Ju Ping <email@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks for all your work and faith in the project. I look forward to flashing 
my M10 to the new images soon!

On Sunday, 16 April 2017 23:06:59 +08 NeoTheThird wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> both the Pro 5 and the M10 are very promising candidates to become
> official devices, but we can't promise anything yet. The reason why some
> devices will only be continued as "legacy devices" is not that we don't
> want to support them, it's due to hard- and firmware limitations. Since
> the new software is not created yet, we can't be sure...
> 
> Hold on to your device for now, even if it's not a Pro 5 or M10. We will
> definitely publish new images for all devices before the end of
> Canonicals support in two months!
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Jan
> 
> On 16.04.2017 16:09, Tomas Öqvist wrote:
> > Hi,
> > could you be a bit more specific about the Pro 5 and the M10? A
> > comment to your blog post suggests that the M10 will not get any
> > UBports update, or did I misinterpret? What about the Pro 5 also not
> > being a 'legacy device', does that mean that my current daily driver
> > will get official status or be abandoned?
> > 
> > I totally understand if you won't be able to support all devices out
> > there, but I was kind of hoping for the Pro 5 being such capable piece
> > of hardware.
> > 
> > Thanks for your effort and of course I am a patreon of this project!
> > 
> > Tomas
> > 
> > söndag 16 april 2017 skrev NeoTheThird <neo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > 
> > <mailto:neo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > i can't wipe away your allegations, but i can try to put them in
> > 
> > perspective.
> > 
> > > You have a point there. Ubuntu Touch is very unstable in many areas
> > 
> > and that will have to change. Our target audience are Linux users and
> > that won't change for the foreseeable future. If your grandmother
> > doesn't know how to bring up a terminal and execute a script to flash
> > her device, Ubuntu Touch is not for her. UBports only has a very small
> > team of volunteer developers, so marketing to Dorothy Default and Gabe
> > Generic does not make sense right now, it would just cause confusion
> > and disappointment. It's not feasible to make something for everyone
> > without a large team and lots of funding, at least not right now.
> > Remember the early days of Android? Then you know what i'm talking
> > about. Ubuntu Touch devices being sold to consumers too early is one
> > of the reasons why this project did not take off as planned. I agree
> > with you there: UT needs *a lot* of polish and testing. Calling, SMS,
> > WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS and AGPS, essential apps - those are all on our
> > to-do list. We won't get it stable until tomorrow or the day after
> > tomorrow. So until it's really really good, we're targeting the nerds.
> > 
> > > About that russian hacker comment: You can't be sure, i could be
> > 
> > lying to your face right now. Remember that UBports was already a
> > thing before Canonical ditched Ubuntu Touch. There are devices running
> > our images out there right now, so we could already be back-dooring a
> > lot of devices, maybe even yours. I like your shirt, btw, but you
> > really need to clean your apartment.
> > 
> > > The thing is: It would not make sense to put all the effort of
> > 
> > integrating back-doors in such a niche OS. Vault 7 shows that there
> > are back-doors in many Devices at a layer below the Kernel, so why
> > would we even bother? Also, it's all free software, so all the code
> > (except the hardware enablement blobs that are not written by us but
> > by the device manufacturers) can be checked by third parties and the
> > risk of getting caught spying on people is pretty high.
> > 
> > > No, seriously, you have a point. We understand that it might be
> > 
> > difficult for many people to put there trust in a project run by some
> > random nerds from the Internet. But we're trying to be as transparent
> > as possible. All code that ships is open source. We try to answer all
> > the questions in our bi-weekly Community Q&A
> > (https://blog.ubports.com/2017/04/15/community-qa.html). We share our
> > financial details with our Patreon supporters (Except the 10 Million
> > rubels we recieve from the KGB each month of course).
> > 
> > > I hope that answers some of your questions. If you have any
> > 
> > suggestions how we can improve transparency and accountability, feel
> > free to raise your voice.
> > 
> > > All the best,
> > > 
> > > Jan Sprinz, aka. NeoTheThird, community manager at UBports
> > > 
> > > On 16.04.2017 14:40, Marcin Xc wrote:
> > > 
> > > Money is not enough. I think this project died for the same reason
> > 
> > as Ubuntu Edge did: poor organization and managing skills. Programing
> > consist of a few levels. Some people here seem to completely ignored
> > them. Someone just wakes up and says "hey, I have an idea:
> > convergence" ignoring the very basics that would let the idea grow.
> > 
> > > I wrote it already once: I wouldn't invest a penny in a project
> > 
> > without clean rules. These rules would be:
> > > 1. Ringing, reliable phone with sms, offline/google independent
> > 
> > contact synchronization, alarm clock FOR EVERYONE (also my daughter,
> > Mother, G-mother, not only for a geek) just like this one:
> > http://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cb-News-Handy-Nokia-3310-Remake-1735032
> > 1.html> 
> > > 1a. testing
> > > 2. Bluetooth, wifi, etc, etc
> > > 2a testing
> > > 3. Additional apps + convergence
> > > I would invest in a project like this.^
> > > We should have right from the start a reliable device which would
> > 
> > grow. What happened was development of fully unreliable device.
> > 
> > > I will not invest neither my time nor money in a project developed
> > 
> > by people who wake up and code. Try to use "Activity Tracker" on UT if
> > You want to know what I mean. Full respect for a developer... who
> > wasted his time because of UT system policies.
> > 
> > > Now if the project is not traded through Canonical brand I'm not
> > 
> > sure if one of You will not be a Russian hacker - doing a perfect work
> > but backdooring devices. Or even if not perhaps again through people
> > filled with passion but going different ways. Give me the reason to
> > support this behaviour?
> > 
> > > How wil You brush aside my allegations?
> > > Best regards
> > > 
> > > GTriderXC
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Vincas Dargis <vindrg@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:vindrg@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > To: ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > 
> > <mailto:ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > 
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 10:34 AM
> > > Subject: [Ubuntu-phone] Idea: consider crowdfunding UBports project
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I am user of BQ Aquaris E5, which is my actually first ever smart
> > 
> > phone, and I am deeply saddened that Canonical had to
> > 
> > > end Ubuntu Phone project. I am very thankful for them for creating
> > 
> > this awesome, free operating system for smart phones,
> > 
> > > with convergence with Desktop, which I am really not ready to leave
> > 
> > it in the drawer. Big thanks to them!
> > 
> > > I have discovered that UBports project, which is continuing Ubuntu
> > 
> > Phone developing, has Patreon site [0] to collect
> > 
> > > funds for it's development, and for the main goal they set to have
> > 
> > full time developer working on system we love.
> > 
> > > I am encouraging you to consider funding UBports by becoming
> > 
> > patreons to help them continue Ubuntu Phone development.
> > 
> > > There are actually lot's of free software projects and their
> > 
> > supporting organizations that needs our money too, may it
> > 
> > > be Debian and Ubuntu, or maybe Free Software, Document and Linux
> > 
> > Foundations, but these mentioned have already their
> > 
> > > stones set, meanwhile UBports really needs a kickstart (pun
> > 
> > intended? :-) ).
> > 
> > > Thanks for hearing.
> > > 
> > > [0] https://www.patreon.com/ubports/posts
> > > 
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