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[Douglas Stanley <doug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

+1 for each point Erk made... (don't shoot me for top posting...I'm
not in a scrolling mood).

I'm all for small gov't and bigger individual liberty :)

That being said, I'll give bonus points to anyone who gets a written
endorsement from his/her dentist...or from the cake boss...or any
endorsement written on offical mt dew letter head.

Pics or it didn't happen though.

Doug

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:32 PM, The Erk <incredulouserk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The Erk proudly presents...
>
> MY TWO CENTS!!!   (actual price may vary...)
>
> A couple of points i will address:
>
>>>  1: To function properly as a group there needs to be strong leadership
>>> and chain of command (who do you go to when you have a problem or question)
>>> and clear direction that is to be taken to address the situation, follow-ups
>>> to complete the cycle, Oh and did I mention "planning" i.e. events, changes,
>>> elections and so forth in advanced to assure the process is correct and
>>> functional.
>
> I absolutely, vehemently, with jello, disagree.  To function properly as a
> group there needs to be little leadership and chain of command.  Community
> and peer is what makes us strong.  Businesses and governments run with
> strong leadership and chain of command.. and look how well that works out.
> The linux community and the OS itself was built on the principles of.. .
> yes.. let's say it.. SOCIALISM!!!  (EEEK EGADS RUNFROMTHECOMMIES!!!)
> WE are the OS.  WE are the community.  WE are the leaders.
>
>>> 2: There needs to be a clear path that members have to express
>>> themselves, thus the need for Team leads, to assure that members concerns
>>> are being addressed. (Chain of Command)
>
> Sort of.  Clear path yes.  A friendly and understanding voice to reach out
> to.. absolutely.  A commander? HELL NO.  For someone that is uncomfortable
> chatting on IRC or posting to the group there should be a central person
> they can feel comfortable just talking wth and sharing concerns.  That
> person in turn will turn it over to the group.  Team lead is a voice and a
> shoulder.  Both of which Paul has provided... excellently.. i may add.
>
>>>3: Culpability: knowing where to lay the blame when the ball is dropped,
>>> no finger pointing and no he said she said bull-crap. So that when something
>>> breaks or is not completed, knowing the Who, What, When and Where things
>>> went wrong will help correct the problem soon and faster and set the
>>> groundwork to help prevent that situation from happing again and where more
>>> work or detail needs to be done.
>
> We stand as a group.  We fall as a group.  I will NEVER point a finger.
> "lay the blame" sent shivers down my spine.  It should never be anyone's
> right to lay blame or attack.  Again, a friendly voice to offer feedback and
> advice is what is needed.
>
>>>
>>What roles/responsibilities do you see for the team contact, and what is
>> your "one year" plan for executing the responsibilities of the team
>> contact position?  Do you have any plans to modify the existing
>> governing structure?
>
> Roles and responsibilities.. a centralised voice for those that don't want
> to speak in front of the group.  a shoulder to cry on.. and arms to cling to
> when things get bad.
> We govern ourselves.. as it should be.
>
>>>> Right, my question is more about how important the contact position
>> itself should be.  Should it be a strong executive position like you've
>> pushed it toward, or should it be more of an administrative position as
>> in the past?
>
> Administrative all the way.  I don't want a leader and I'm sure most of you
> don't either.  Face it.. that's one of the reasons we are bound
> together...we think enough alike not to kill each other.
>
> So to sum it all up... I LIKE CAKE!!  (Even if it is a lie.. *sob*)
>
> THE ERK
>
> (Paid for by the committee for pudding.)
>
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