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[Serge Wagner <sergew1967@xxxxxxxxx>]

PS: do not misunderstand me :
You are doing a great job :) (although

And this "nazi" feeling - it's probably simply coming from the circular
turning of a shape consisting of 2s (without glasses)

I have probably about 15-20 years more than you - i noticed it as i said
yesterday

And controlling with 4 persons (my mother , her friend and 3 friend of mine
- 3 as said  had that strange feeling that something is wrong ... i cannot
explain it differently

An of course the sign of Swastika - you also find it in the greek , in the
roman - even in the persian , indian - and jewish ciulture

I wanted to post this comment for following reason:
the old gnome logo was simply neat

This here could lead - even only by a small (older) kind of users - to this
interpretation - (mostly in Europe)

Do you remember the discussion about the clockwise - or counter-clockwise
turning of the please-wait-bubble in ubuntu - was it unbuntu 11 .04 or so ?

If i remember well it were indian users that told the devels that a
counter-clock turning poing would bring ba luck   (or something like that,
can't remember exactly)

Serge

On Wednesday, 2 September 2015, Patrik Bubák <bubapa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bubapa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx');>> wrote:

> Hi and thank you for the feedback.
>
> I am the author of the new logo for Ubuntu GNOME and your observation is
> quite surprising, because that is something none of us would ever think
> about and we had a look at the logo from many angles many times.
>
> Even now when I look at it I see absolutely no reference to neither the
> Swastika - that argument I find absurd the least - nor anything that would
> relate it in any way to the war crimes of Nazi Germany.
>
> I am short sighted, wearing glasses for many years, but I don't see
> anything of what you see and even though I'm born in '83 and am perhaps
> more aware of history than most of my generation I simply cannot make the
> connections you are describing here.
>
> My point is, everyone has a different perspective on things and it's
> humanly impossible to indulge everyone's request. Perhaps some people from
> your generation might perceive it that way but generations to come might
> not see not even with a slight hint of what you're seeing in it.
>
> *When you ask someone from your generation what do they see it in
> mentioning to them what you see they will of course agree, because **they
> will be inclined to see the same**.*
>
> Also, it's humanly impossible for a designer to keep track of absolutely
> every symbol ever invented in human history. That just cannot be done, as
> new symbols emerge practically every day, it's as simple as that, drawing
> lines on a canvas.
>
> There are thousands of symbols, so I apologize if we cannot indulge
> everyone, but we really cannot. Nobody can.
>
> On Wed, 2015-09-02 at 12:38 +0200, Serge Wagner wrote:
>
> First of all - compliments to all the work that has been done the last
> time
>
>
> i A lot of work as been passed on small details
>
>
> JUST one thinhg - tat i really do not think, that it will pass well
>
>
> the new gnome logo  or the sign for running applications
>
>
> Want to try to explain why: I am born in 1967 - so far aftr the 2nd world
> war
>
> With 48 what begins to get bad are the eyes - without reading glasses
> sharpness is only a dream ;)
>
> Last time when i came back to my computer - without my reading glasses and
> i saw the new logo in the middle of the standby screen  - i thougt - now
> they have chosen a swastika (Hakenkreuz) as logo!
>
>
>
> OK on second view you see of course that it is not THAT logo
>
>
> I was wondering i was the only one that did this interpretation of the
> logo
>
> I asked now 5 other people - from 40 to 76 - 3 persons - all
> wearingreading glasses - all  without glasses on their nose were thinking
> immediately to the nazi-sign ....
>
>
>
> Although i admire the work of the artist - i am sure he (or she) did not
> think about the visible interpretation the moment you forgot you
> spectacles
>
>
> cheers
>
>
>
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>
> Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it the *Ice
> Cream Principle*. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with one condition:
> they all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour is going to be
> chocolate or vanilla every time. Groups of people don't agree on what's
> cool or interesting, they agree on what's easy to agree on.
>