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[Jeremy Nickurak <jeremy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Plus, with this mockup, you need an inidicator icon/menu for each
class of application that might put things in the notification area?
That's gross, on top of the just-not-working problem.

Here's an idea: Just leave the notification icons in the panel. They
should show up right next to the existing indicator icons. This could
be done in the same indicator-applet or in a seperate
notification-area applet, it doesn't really matter. What's important
is that they should have the full, normal,  legacy behavior of
notification icons, right down to tooltips and
left/middle/right-clicks. Everything works just the way people would
have expected 2-8 years ago.

For ubuntu's purposes, you just make sure none of the major
ubuntu-supported applications use the notification area API. If the
user doesn't run anything with the notification area API, they'll
never see an icon there, and it'll never take up any space, and it'll
never feel inconsistent. If they do use applications that aren't
ubuntu-supported, they'll work, just with a little less consistency.

The good news about using the real notification tray is that Ubuntu
doesn't really have to put in any effort to get it... this is all
supported by upstream, in virtually every desktop environment, and
it'll always work with older applications, and families of
applications that aren't moving towards the libindicator approach.

So... what does ubuntu have to lose?

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 03:35, Luke Benstead <kazade@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> On 15 June 2010 10:32, Conscious User <conscioususer@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > A massive portion of Ubuntu users use Wine or Java apps to some
>> > degree. If we are trying to improve usability, how would relegating
>> > non-application-indicator-conforming apps to floating windows improve
>> > a user's experience compared to the current situation of having the
>> > (empty most of the time) old style notification area alongside the
>> > indicator-applet?
>> >
>> > I'm all for moving as many apps as possible to application indicators,
>> > but I can't see a better solution than leaving the notification area
>> > applet there. A Wine indicator applet would be nice, but Windows
>> > applications simply listen out for mouse click messages and do
>> > whatever they want when they receive them, so it's just not possible
>> > to do it in a way that would work consistently.
>> >
>> > That said, if there was a Windows version of the indicator applet and
>> > libraries, we might see some applications move to it - you never
>> > know :)
>>
>> How about a middle-ground compromise? Not using a full blown window,
>> but putting the Wine tray icons inside an indicator menu.
>>
>> Horrible mockup attached for illustration.
>>
>
> I thought about that, but AFAIK you can't have right clicking (perhaps also
> double clicking) inside an indicator menu.
>
> Luke.
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