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[Carl Simpson <cwd.simpson@xxxxxxxxx>]

So find arguments for what the correct defaults are, instead of saying
“Unity == no customisation”.

Talking about customisation is automatically talking about finding something
else.  No issue with people wanting to change the (frankly ridiculous)
default behaviour, here.  Just the "my-way-or-the-highway" accusation that
is tired and nonsensical.

2011/4/15 Luke Benstead <kazade@xxxxxxxxx>

> I'm so tired of hearing this cop out. Yes, we can go and use something
> else, we aren't forced to use Unity. But we are supposed to be winning
> users here, not driving them away.
>
> Luke.
>
> On 15 April 2011 21:47, Carl Simpson <cwd.simpson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/disable-appmenu-global-menu-in-ubuntu.html
> >
> > You can also use the classic gnome session if you want to use the old
> panel
> > applets.
> >
> > Offering a new shell by default, with certain default options, is hardly
> > limiting you, or offering you the proverbial highway.
> >
> > 2011/4/15 Biturica <biturica@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >> It's beginning to feel like a lot of us were involuntarily shifted out
> of
> >> Ubuntu's demographic overnight.
> >>
> >> The titlebar being a waste of space is totally subjective and a matter
> of
> >> opinion. But it is my-way-or-the-highway opinions like this that are now
> >> driving the new one-size-fits-all philosphy of Canonical and Ubuntu
> fanboys.
> >>
> >> I would be all for trying out having application menus moved into a
> >> drop-down in the window control / title bar, for all windows, regardless
> of
> >> whether maximized or not, and regardless of where I place my panel /
> dock /
> >> whatever we calling it this week (horizontal, vertical, one panel, two
> >> panels, etc). Some of us don't want application menus and window titles
> >> limiting what I can have on our panels.
> >>
> >> And even this drop-down application menu in the window title bar should
> be
> >> a toggle-able setting. Don't tell users what to do. If a user with two
> 30
> >> inch monitors wants to retain menu bars inside application windows,
> there is
> >> no reason to take that away from a user.
> >>
> >> This would retain more respect for users who already have preferred
> >> working habits, large screens, multiple monitors, etc. A lot of us are
> >> content with "window" having a meaning and "panel" having a separate
> >> meaning. Bored designers should just tweak their own desktops. Then when
> >> they are experiencing a fit of one-size-fits-all thinking, they won't
> hurt
> >> anybody.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 04/15/2011 11:41 AM, nick rundy wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree with Ian.
> >>
> >> I do NOT want a maximized window to have a separate titlebar. I want the
> >> maximized window's controls to be merged into the panel.  The titlebar
> is an
> >> enormous waste of space. IMHO it is useless. When a user maximizes a
> window,
> >> space is needed.
> >>
> >> Once people take some time and get used to this new design, they will
> >> understand it and like it better. It makes a lot more sense than the old
> way
> >> of doing things.
> >>
> >>
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