Let me bring some clarity. First of all It's actually the opposite
problem with Christianity vs Non-theism as you call it. Everyone is
trying to make theism in general and Christianity in particular
illegal outside of churches. As for your atheism Jo, I demand you keep
it to yourself. I've not mentioned my Christianity once on this
mailing list nor how I really feel about atheism and I find your
comments about religious people in general and Christians in
particular highly offensive. I would argue that atheists suffer from a
delusion but this is not the time nor the place for this at all..
As far as an app coming up in featured areas called "PornView"; That
needs to not happen because it is embarrassing and only hurts our
cause in spreading an alternative to windows and mac. If the user
wants to use ubuntu for porn, be my guest. but references to porn
should have to be sought out, not displayed for all to see. It's not
censorship as it's correctly spelled, but appropriateness.
Nobody is demanding that ubuntu not carry adult themed apps. That
said, it's highly advised that since our audience is so very very
broad, that we don't advertise them under "featured apps" or "also
available for download". My android phone doesn't do that in the
android market either and neither should ubuntu.
And Ryan Gauger, This is not the space for proselytizing either. If
God decides that you are to lead him to Christ, He has also decreed
exactly how that should happen and will bring him to you, and prompt
you to preach the gospel and will do the miraculous work of
regeneration required to make him the new creature required for him to
respond in repentance.
Gino
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Ryan Gauger <rtgkid@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rtgkid@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
On 02/23/2012 09:32 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
On 23 February 2012 22:25, Ryan Gauger<rtgkid@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rtgkid@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
On 02/23/2012 09:18 PM, Dub wrote:
As much as I love reading GIANT emails from religious
people, I think this
should be closed as it was solved.
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Ryan
Gauger<rtgkid@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rtgkid@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
On 02/23/2012 07:14 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
On 24. feb. 2012 01:53, Colton Allen wrote:
So yeah, an app called "Porn View" showed up while I
was demoing Ubuntu to
a friend. Despite the brief embarrassment and
explanations, I doubt that
person will take Ubuntu seriously. We should probably
restrict pornographic
apps to the store and keep the lenses PG.
Perhaps we should remove the Bible apps as well then.
I find it seriously
offensive. But maybe it's only nature that's unholy?
USA are now making it
illegal to teach the history of racism. They are also
trying to make it
illegal to teach non-theism.
We should not forbid other peoples wishes because of
ancient beliefs in
witches and weird stuff. If Ubuntu starts to sensor
things, it will no doubt
be my reason to not only drop out, but become an
extremely verbal enemy.
What if we sell books, should Lady Chatterley's Lover
be forbidden because
it might not be perfectly suitable to children or
fanatical christians? I
will never, ever be a part of anything remotely
similar to that. Present
your next idea.
--
Jo-Erlend Schinstad
I definitely agree with the idea that we should
eliminate pornographic
apps from "Apps Available for Download". That being
said, I find it
seriously offensive that you want to remove Bible
apps. Nature itself is
unholy. People are also unholy. I am unholy. No one
but the Lord, Jesus
Christ is holy. I find it seriously offensive that you
wish to remove
Christian Apps from that list. I am not just saying
this because it offends
me, I am saying this because (I understand that people
from this list are
from all around the world) people from other countries
probably don't know
this, but the United States was built upon
Christianity. Now, the very
people who built America would not recognise it
because of all of the
"politically-correctness" that is going on in America.
A ton of public
places (like public schools) try their best to keep
Christianity out of
them.
I can also tell you that I cannot find the love and
peace that I can in
Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is not just my God, he is
also yours, and
everybody's. You and everybody else can reject Him and
tell me that He is
not real, but how could I be an accident (if you are
an atheist)? Give me
just one time where you felt the love of your god.
Just one. If you tell me
that you are a Christian, you obviously are just
saying that, because a true
Christian knows how important it is to spread the Good
News (which is that
Jesus Christ was born in a little manger, died a
horrible death on the cross
for our sins, and ROSE FROM THE GRAVE. He did this all
for us. He did this
because He loved us. Nails were hammered into His
flesh and through His
hands and feet. His last words on the cross were "It
is finished.". I hope
that you and everyone else on this list has read this
and sort of
understands what I am getting at.
If you want to follow Christ forever and stay with Him
forever after you
die, here is what you must do, but the choice is
yours, not mine:
1. Admit to God that you are a sinner. "For all have
sinned and fall short
of the Glory of God." - Romans 3:23. This includes
EVERYBODY: ME, YOU,
EVERYBODY ON THIS PLANET). If you do not understand
what sin is, you do it
everyday without thinking about it, and so do I. It is
basically anything
you do that is wrong. For example (I am just stating
these as an example, I
am not saying that you have done them): murder,
stealing, lying (a big one,
we all lie), just to name a few, but there are a ton more.
2. TRULY believe that God sent Jesus Christ to be your
Lord and Saviour.
Read the paragraph above. Adding to that paragraph: He
also performed
miracles to show how truly great He was and still is.
He turned water into
wine in literally A SECOND. Say you don't believe me,
but you probably will
once you read this: He made you and me. He made
everything that is on earth
(everything expect for man-made objects, including
pornography which we all
want to remove from the dash). Other man-made objects
include all buildings.
3. Confess your faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and
Saviour. This does
mean publicly professing that you are a Christian and
that the Lord has come
into your heart and soul. It is hard to do for some
people, but you need to
do this in order to be saved. (The term here "saved"
means saved from
spending eternity in Hell, which is what people do
when they choose to not
follow Jesus.)
Do this, and I guarantee you will feel a lot better.
You will have a sense
of peace come over you in the worst situations like no
other. You will know
it is Jesus. You will also be comforted knowing that
Jesus is in your life.
Christianity is like no other religion. Other
religions require that you do
as their god says or else something bad will happen to
you and you will be
punished. Christianity is a relationship between you
and God. This will be a
mouthful: Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are all the
same, yet they are
different at the same time. This is usually very
complicated for everyone to
understand. God sent His one and only Son, Jesus to
die on the cross. Even
though Jesus is God, they are still the different. All
three of these (God,
Jesus, and the Holy Spirit) have different jobs. The
Holy Spirit is the one
who changes you and helps you to become a Christian by
working in your
heart. Jesus Christ is God's Son who died on the cross
for you. God is both
our and Jesus' Father. He is our Heavenly Father,
meaning that He is not our
physical "on-earth" father. You do not necessarily
need to fully understand
this before becoming a Christian, Jesus will help you
understand after you
become a Christian.
Please be careful: some people believe that being
baptised makes you a
Christian. It does not. It is a way of showing others
you are a Christian.
You can do this after you become a Christian if you
like, though it is not
required. I hope you chose to follow the steps I
provided. Please remember,
it is a simple, yet complicated choice: do you want to
go to Heaven or Hell?
Do you want to live your life following Jesus and
letting Him lead you to
the places you need to be, or would you rather live
your life in a cloudy
environment, where voices all over tell you what you
should do (but what is
actually what will get you in trouble)? What will your
choice be? Will you
choose to follow Jesus? I did and was changed on the
inside and out. I was a
completely new person. All Christians still sin, since
they are humans (read
the verse above), but Christians sin a whole lot less.
I hope you have taken
time out of your day to read this and have also
decided to follow Jesus
Christ and to accept Him as your Lord and Saviour.
In Christ,
Ryan
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I also think that this should (if it is closed) be read by
other people.
---I am not religious. I am simply a person who cares
about other people. I
care about people in this way because I do not want them
to take a vacation
(a bad one, and for eternity) to Hell. Would you like to
ask Jesus into your
heart? I can see that you probably not a Christian since
you called me
directly a "religious person". Thanks!
You're absolutely correct. Real Christians would never call
another
Real Christian a "religious person."
Posting multiple times to software development mailing lists
is also
the best way to increase the number of Real Christians in the
world,
so I'm glad you're doing the right thing!
Thanks!
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