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[Bruno Chareyre <bruno.chareyre@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 06/29/2018 02:57 PM, Robert Caulk wrote:
>  these pastebin links are susceptible to breaking [...] degrade the 
> quality and resiliency of the yade launchpad answer forum.
Very good point.

> I’ve noticed another problem though: few users read the "how to ask", 
> even after we explicitly direct them to do so.
You can lead a horse to the water, you can't make him drink.
But we can improve water quality. :)


> Therefore, I suggest we either put the MWE section up top and in its 
> own text block, or make an entirely different page dedicated to 
> explaining MWEs.
Everything in one page is my favorite but yes, MWE could be highlighted 
more since it is really a most important part of that page.
> Or, maybe there is a way to define an MWE at the top of the launchpad 
> forum home page ;-).
Good idea but after checking a bit I still did not see any way to change 
the default text. If there is it is very well hidden.

Bruno


> Robert
>
>
>
> Le ven. 29 juin 2018 à 12:33, Bruno Chareyre 
> <bruno.chareyre@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> <mailto:bruno.chareyre@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> a écrit :
>
>     Hi Yade devs,
>     When I try to save a few minutes to answer some questions I very ofen
>     find myself clicking here and there to access a pastebin file
>     which is
>     needed for a given script to run. The [pastebin|whateve|...] file
>     can't
>     downloaded directly in many cases. I then have to copy - which can
>     imply
>     substantial scrooling, paste, save in the right place, go back to
>     terminal, run.
>     And sometimes it is just to find that the script itself will not run,
>     even with the proper data file.
>
>     If you want to see this cycle in action you can have a look at [1]
>     where
>     four posts more or less are just to sort out the data files, implying
>     than Jan had to repeatedly reproduce the cycle mentioned above. Worth
>     mentioning, post #11 introduces additional links for the same
>     filenames
>     (same content? who knows?), so it is absolutely unclear now what
>     someone
>     is supposed to download to simply test a script and help someone else.
>
>     I was thinking that we could go deeper in the MWE part of
>     https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Howtoask, to push questionners toward
>     self-contained scripts.
>     An issue is that even among the devs I see this tendency to
>     manipulate
>     data files.
>     There are a few cases where it can't be avoided, like stl mesh.
>     But in
>     most cases I think a data file is not needed MWE, specifically for
>     sphere positions and clump data (which are just positions).
>     What do you think? Does it sound realistic to ask users to avoid
>     extra
>     files in MWEs?
>
>     We could even provide a way to make sure that no "file not found"
>     will
>     occur. For instance, every mwe.py should be compatible with:
>     mkdir MWE
>     cp mwe.py ./MWE/mweTest.py
>     cd MWE
>     /path/to/yade mweTest.py
>     rm -rf ../MWE
>
>     Other suggestions?
>
>     Bruno
>
>     [1] https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/670501
>
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