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[Jason McLafferty <jason.mclafferty@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Jaap,

Thanks for the suggestions.  Along these lines, I removed my own urls.list
to prevent Zim from using that.  I also opened the notebooks.list file I
found in C:\Users\Jason\.config\zim and found lines that look like:

~/Notebooks/Master

(I was of the impression that Windows does not understand the tilde as the
home directory but I may be wrong on this, or maybe the way that this file
is used by Zim allows the tilde to work in this way?).

Jason

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Jaap Karssenberg <
jaap.karssenberg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> I think the only way to debug why it doesn't work on your windows install
> is check exactly which file zim gets the URL from. Maybe some older
> urls.list you tried, or from the notebooks.list file in the config. If the
> path is wrong, I guess one of these contains the wrong URL.
>
> Will test my own windows setup on monday to check whether there is a bug
> or not.
>
> REgards,
>
> Jaap
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Jason McLafferty <
> jason.mclafferty@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Quick note: I also run Linux in VirtualBox, so I put Zim on there and
>> tried linking, and it worked.  I just created two notebooks (notes and
>> test), in notes I placed a link "test?" and clicking on that worked
>> perfectly - a new window opened with the test notebook.
>>
>> I do use Windows much more though so that's why I want to get this
>> working in that installation too.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Jason McLafferty <
>> jason.mclafferty@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jaap,
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your followup.
>>>
>>> This is what I tried next:
>>> (1) remove urls.list file that I created
>>> (2) replaced all spaces by underscores in notebook names in the file
>>> notebooks.list in C:\Users\Jason\.config\zim\ directory
>>> (3) tried my link Electronics? - nothing happened, so I ran it from cmd
>>> with the --debug flag.  Two things I noticed:
>>>
>>> (a) Error dialog: "Could not find notebook
>>> file:///C:/Users/Jason/Notebooks/Master/zim
>>> (Master is the name of the notebook that I try to place the link in).
>>>
>>> (b) I opened the zim.exe.log file and see this line near the bottom:
>>>
>>> INFO: Spawning: ['C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Zim Desktop Wiki\\zim.exe',
>>> 'zim', 'zim+file:///C:/Users/Jason/Notebooks/Electronics?', '--no-daemon']
>>> (cwd: None)
>>>
>>> (I'm guessing this is a copy of the command that is issued to open the
>>> notebook being linked to).
>>>
>>> Two things I find strange: (a) the /zim appended to the end of the file
>>> of the notebook I am working in,
>>> (b) that the error reports that the file of the notebook I am working in
>>> (where I put the link) is not being found, rather than the notebook I am
>>> trying to link to is not being found.  I would have guessed that it would
>>> report that it cannot find the notebook that I am trying to link to.
>>>
>>> Sorry for so many e-mails.  I'm starting to wonder if I am doing
>>> something really stupid.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Jaap Karssenberg <
>>> jaap.karssenberg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jason,
>>>>
>>>> I just had a look at the parsing of the url.list format. The parser
>>>> splits the line at the first space, all subsequent text is taken as the url.
>>>>
>>>> So the name or "key" that you use in the interwiki link should not
>>>> contain any spaces. Typically these are abreviations, so you want to keep
>>>> them short anyway.
>>>>
>>>> The URL is allowed to contain spaces and is handed to the application
>>>> handling the link without further processing. For file links I recommend
>>>> using spaces instead of "%20" because most applications (including zim)
>>>> just remove the "file:///" bit and assume the rest to be a valid file path.
>>>>
>>>> The "Master NOtebook" example in your last mail probably fails due to
>>>> the "%20".
>>>>
>>>> The "Electronics" example you used earlier should work though. Try the
>>>> "--debug" check on that one. However I wouldn't count on zim being fully
>>>> robust for "nested" notebooks. It might just open the toplevel notebook
>>>> instead.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jaap
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jason McLafferty <
>>>> jason.mclafferty@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jaap,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your reply.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, my entire 'urls.list' file is links to other notebooks, so it
>>>>> seems the right way to do this then is to not worry about creating my own
>>>>> urls.list for notebooks.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, the link is still not working and Mariano's comment about the
>>>>> spaces in a lot of my notebook names has me wondering if this is creating a
>>>>> problem?  Also, my Electronics notebook, which I am trying to link to (and
>>>>> does not have spaces in the file URL) does appear below a notebook which
>>>>> does have spaces in its name and file URL - could it be what he said
>>>>> regarding an earlier failure in reading the list, due to spaces, that leads
>>>>> to the failure?
>>>>>
>>>>> I did try the suggestion of running "zim --debug".  When the notebook
>>>>> open dialog appears, I chose the notebook that I am trying to create the
>>>>> link in.  Then I put the link, click on it, and I get an error message:
>>>>> "Could not find the notebook:
>>>>> file:///C:/Users/Jason/Notebooks/Master%20Notebook/zim.
>>>>>
>>>>> That notebook (Master Notebook) is where I am trying to place the
>>>>> link, not the notebook I am linking to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Jaap Karssenberg <
>>>>> jaap.karssenberg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stupid question, but are all your interwiki links to other zim
>>>>>> notebooks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, you shoudl not need to configure the urls.list file at all.
>>>>>> Check the "open another notebook" dialog in zim, all notebooks listed there
>>>>>> should already be recognized as interwiki links.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the properties dialog you can set an interwiki keyword for the
>>>>>> noteobook as well. This is used to set a short name to refer to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that what you are looking for?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Otherwise, try running "zim --debug". When you click the link, debug
>>>>>> info should show which urls.list file zim is reading and how it converted
>>>>>> the link.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jaap
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mariano Draghi <mdraghi@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jason,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suppose the space might be a problem in the first example. The
>>>>>>> space encoded as "%20" in the URL part might be supported (I really don't
>>>>>>> know for sure), but I'm sure that you cannot define an interwiki prefix
>>>>>>> with spaces in between. At least not in Zim. Zim expects the format of the
>>>>>>> urls.list file to be "prefix url" (i.e., prefix, blank, url), so if your
>>>>>>> prefix has a blank in between, you're not using the expected syntax. You
>>>>>>> should change the first part to "CurveFitting" or "Curve_Fitting" or
>>>>>>> something like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Electronics example looks more or less right, except for the
>>>>>>> extra forward-slash and the ":" in between. But if you have already tried
>>>>>>> the syntax I used, and it still didn't work, then I am really out of ideas
>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At first I thought that the "Electronics?" link would be invalid (I
>>>>>>> never used such syntax), but I've just tested it in my computer (using
>>>>>>> "work?"), and it opens my Work notebook as you would expect. And the other
>>>>>>> example ("Electronics?Multimeter") looks perfectly normal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe the Electronics interwiki-prefix is not working because Zim
>>>>>>> didn't like the space in the other prefix and aborted the parsing of the
>>>>>>> urls.list file (or disabled the feature completely) before reading the
>>>>>>> Electronics line. I'm just guessing... but it might be a good idea to get
>>>>>>> the format right with a simpler urls.list file, with just one example
>>>>>>> (maybe the Electronics one), so you are sure that any line with wrong or
>>>>>>> unexpected syntax is preventing the whole feature from working. Once you
>>>>>>> have one case working, you might try adding the other ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One last thing: make sure you're completely closing Zim before
>>>>>>> changing the urls.list file, and that it is not running in the background
>>>>>>> or systray. I'm not sure if Zim would detect any changes to that kind of
>>>>>>> configuration once it's running.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't know what else to suggest. Maybe some other user
>>>>>>> catches something we're missing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Mariano
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El vie., 23 de oct. de 2015 a la(s) 11:35 a. m., Jason McLafferty <
>>>>>>> jason.mclafferty@xxxxxxxxx> escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Mariano,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you again for your quick reply!  I really appreciate your
>>>>>>>> detailed example.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My urls.list is at the same location as yours (different username
>>>>>>>> of course) following your advice in your first response.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used a program to generate my urls.list file (my boss wrote it)
>>>>>>>> that takes a .txt file of the contents of the Notebooks directory, and
>>>>>>>> creates the urls.list file.  Here is one example from my urls.list:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Curve Fitting zim+file:///c:/Users/Jason/Notebooks/Curve%20Fitting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (I added percent encoding for the spaces in the file URL because it
>>>>>>>> looks like Windows needs this, from what I have read).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To test notebook linking, I used a different notebook which has no
>>>>>>>> space to be sure that wasn't the issue:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Electronics zim+file:///c:/Users/Jason/Notebook/Electronics
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tried two styles of links,
>>>>>>>> (1) Electronics? (which I assumed would open the entire notebook)
>>>>>>>> (2) Electronics?Multimeter (which I assumed would open the
>>>>>>>> Multimeter page in the Electronics notebook).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In both cases, clicking the link produces no action.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only thing standing out to me right now is that my file URLs
>>>>>>>> look a bit different than yours (I have three slashes after "file" and a
>>>>>>>> ":" after c, whereas you have two slashes after "file" and no ":" after C),
>>>>>>>> but I tried changing the format of mine to look like yours, but that did
>>>>>>>> not affect the result.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe you will see something I missed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Mariano Draghi <mdraghi@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe there's a problem with the URL you are writing in the
>>>>>>>>> urls.list file and/or the way you are using the interwiki link?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's see a concrete example:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - my username in Windows is "mariano", so the %APPDATA% folder
>>>>>>>>> resolves to:
>>>>>>>>> C:\Users\mariano\AppData\Roaming
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - in there I have a urls.list file, in the following location:
>>>>>>>>> C:\Users\mariano\AppData\Roaming\zim\data\zim\urls.list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - I have two Zim Notebooks, "Personal" and "Work", in the
>>>>>>>>> following locations (these are the folders where each "notebook.zim" file
>>>>>>>>> is located):
>>>>>>>>> C:\Users\mariano\Dropbox\Notebooks\Personal
>>>>>>>>> C:\Users\mariano\Dropbox\Notebooks\Work
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - In the urls.list file, I declared an "interwiki" prefix for the
>>>>>>>>> Work notebook, with the following line:
>>>>>>>>> work zim+file://C/Users/mariano/Dropbox/Notebooks/Work
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - With that configuration, then if I open my Personal notebook and
>>>>>>>>> insert a link like this:
>>>>>>>>> work?Home:Projects
>>>>>>>>> Then when I clic it a new instance of Zim is opened, with the Work
>>>>>>>>> notebook, and the page Home->Projects.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you doing more or less something like this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Mariano
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> El vie., 23 de oct. de 2015 a la(s) 10:44 a. m., Jason McLafferty <
>>>>>>>>> jason.mclafferty@xxxxxxxxx> escribió:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mariano,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I greatly appreciate your quick reply, however I am sad to report
>>>>>>>>>> that my links still do not work.  Any other suggestions I might try?
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Mariano Draghi <
>>>>>>>>>> mdraghi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jason,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The location of the XDG folders in Windows is a little bit
>>>>>>>>>>> weird... you should put your urls.list in the folder
>>>>>>>>>>> %APPDATA%/zim/data/zim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i.e., there should be an extra "zim" folder inside "data".
>>>>>>>>>>> Weird, yes. But it works :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Mariano
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> El vie., 23 de oct. de 2015 a la(s) 5:43 a. m., Jason McLafferty
>>>>>>>>>>> <jason.mclafferty@xxxxxxxxx> escribió:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am using Zim on Windows 7.  I am trying to add my Zim
>>>>>>>>>>>> notebooks to the urls.list file using the "zim+file://" method described
>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://zim-wiki.org/manual/Help/Config_Files.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I use ctrl+L to add a link to a notebook as name_of_notebook?,
>>>>>>>>>>>> which creates a link, but when I click on it, nothing happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing I noticed when I was working through setting this up,
>>>>>>>>>>>> is that on my system, the directories APPDATA/zim/config and
>>>>>>>>>>>> APPDATA/zim/data do not exist (I checked where APPDATA is on my computer
>>>>>>>>>>>> with cmd by typing cd %appdata% and noting the new directory).  Not being
>>>>>>>>>>>> sure if this is significant or not, I did some poking around in Explorer
>>>>>>>>>>>> and found the following directory: C:\Users\Jason\.config\zim in which I
>>>>>>>>>>>> find files like preferences.conf and style.conf.  I tried putting my
>>>>>>>>>>>> urls.list file, containing all my notebooks and formatted as
>>>>>>>>>>>> name-space-zim+file:// in both of these directories (APPDATA/zim/data and
>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Users\Jason\.config\zim), but still I do not get a working link.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions to where I am going wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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