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[Jaap Karssenberg <jaap.karssenberg@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Jason,

Yes, zim understands this type of file path regardless of the platform.

In the mean time I tested on my own windows system. Interwiki link to
another notebook works fine here without the url.list setup.

Regards,

Jaap



On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Jason McLafferty <
jason.mclafferty@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Jaap,
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.  Along these lines, I removed my own urls.list
> to prevent Zim from using that.  I also opened the notebooks.list file I
> found in C:\Users\Jason\.config\zim and found lines that look like:
>
> ~/Notebooks/Master
>
> (I was of the impression that Windows does not understand the tilde as the
> home directory but I may be wrong on this, or maybe the way that this file
> is used by Zim allows the tilde to work in this way?).
>
> Jason
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Jaap Karssenberg <
> jaap.karssenberg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> I think the only way to debug why it doesn't work on your windows install
>> is check exactly which file zim gets the URL from. Maybe some older
>> urls.list you tried, or from the notebooks.list file in the config. If the
>> path is wrong, I guess one of these contains the wrong URL.
>>
>> Will test my own windows setup on monday to check whether there is a bug
>> or not.
>>
>> REgards,
>>
>> Jaap
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Jason McLafferty <
>> jason.mclafferty@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Quick note: I also run Linux in VirtualBox, so I put Zim on there and
>>> tried linking, and it worked.  I just created two notebooks (notes and
>>> test), in notes I placed a link "test?" and clicking on that worked
>>> perfectly - a new window opened with the test notebook.
>>>
>>> I do use Windows much more though so that's why I want to get this
>>> working in that installation too.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Jason McLafferty <
>>> jason.mclafferty@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jaap,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for your followup.
>>>>
>>>> This is what I tried next:
>>>> (1) remove urls.list file that I created
>>>> (2) replaced all spaces by underscores in notebook names in the file
>>>> notebooks.list in C:\Users\Jason\.config\zim\ directory
>>>> (3) tried my link Electronics? - nothing happened, so I ran it from cmd
>>>> with the --debug flag.  Two things I noticed:
>>>>
>>>> (a) Error dialog: "Could not find notebook
>>>> file:///C:/Users/Jason/Notebooks/Master/zim
>>>> (Master is the name of the notebook that I try to place the link in).
>>>>
>>>> (b) I opened the zim.exe.log file and see this line near the bottom:
>>>>
>>>> INFO: Spawning: ['C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Zim Desktop Wiki\\zim.exe',
>>>> 'zim', 'zim+file:///C:/Users/Jason/Notebooks/Electronics?', '--no-daemon']
>>>> (cwd: None)
>>>>
>>>> (I'm guessing this is a copy of the command that is issued to open the
>>>> notebook being linked to).
>>>>
>>>> Two things I find strange: (a) the /zim appended to the end of the file
>>>> of the notebook I am working in,
>>>> (b) that the error reports that the file of the notebook I am working
>>>> in (where I put the link) is not being found, rather than the notebook I am
>>>> trying to link to is not being found.  I would have guessed that it would
>>>> report that it cannot find the notebook that I am trying to link to.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for so many e-mails.  I'm starting to wonder if I am doing
>>>> something really stupid.
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Jaap Karssenberg <
>>>> jaap.karssenberg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jason,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just had a look at the parsing of the url.list format. The parser
>>>>> splits the line at the first space, all subsequent text is taken as the url.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the name or "key" that you use in the interwiki link should not
>>>>> contain any spaces. Typically these are abreviations, so you want to keep
>>>>> them short anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> The URL is allowed to contain spaces and is handed to the application
>>>>> handling the link without further processing. For file links I recommend
>>>>> using spaces instead of "%20" because most applications (including zim)
>>>>> just remove the "file:///" bit and assume the rest to be a valid file path.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "Master NOtebook" example in your last mail probably fails due to
>>>>> the "%20".
>>>>>
>>>>> The "Electronics" example you used earlier should work though. Try the
>>>>> "--debug" check on that one. However I wouldn't count on zim being fully
>>>>> robust for "nested" notebooks. It might just open the toplevel notebook
>>>>> instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jaap
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jason McLafferty <
>>>>> jason.mclafferty@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jaap,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your reply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, my entire 'urls.list' file is links to other notebooks, so it
>>>>>> seems the right way to do this then is to not worry about creating my own
>>>>>> urls.list for notebooks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, the link is still not working and Mariano's comment about
>>>>>> the spaces in a lot of my notebook names has me wondering if this is
>>>>>> creating a problem?  Also, my Electronics notebook, which I am trying to
>>>>>> link to (and does not have spaces in the file URL) does appear below a
>>>>>> notebook which does have spaces in its name and file URL - could it be what
>>>>>> he said regarding an earlier failure in reading the list, due to spaces,
>>>>>> that leads to the failure?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did try the suggestion of running "zim --debug".  When the notebook
>>>>>> open dialog appears, I chose the notebook that I am trying to create the
>>>>>> link in.  Then I put the link, click on it, and I get an error message:
>>>>>> "Could not find the notebook:
>>>>>> file:///C:/Users/Jason/Notebooks/Master%20Notebook/zim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That notebook (Master Notebook) is where I am trying to place the
>>>>>> link, not the notebook I am linking to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Jaap Karssenberg <
>>>>>> jaap.karssenberg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stupid question, but are all your interwiki links to other zim
>>>>>>> notebooks?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so, you shoudl not need to configure the urls.list file at all.
>>>>>>> Check the "open another notebook" dialog in zim, all notebooks listed there
>>>>>>> should already be recognized as interwiki links.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the properties dialog you can set an interwiki keyword for the
>>>>>>> noteobook as well. This is used to set a short name to refer to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is that what you are looking for?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Otherwise, try running "zim --debug". When you click the link, debug
>>>>>>> info should show which urls.list file zim is reading and how it converted
>>>>>>> the link.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jaap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mariano Draghi <mdraghi@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Jason,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suppose the space might be a problem in the first example. The
>>>>>>>> space encoded as "%20" in the URL part might be supported (I really don't
>>>>>>>> know for sure), but I'm sure that you cannot define an interwiki prefix
>>>>>>>> with spaces in between. At least not in Zim. Zim expects the format of the
>>>>>>>> urls.list file to be "prefix url" (i.e., prefix, blank, url), so if your
>>>>>>>> prefix has a blank in between, you're not using the expected syntax. You
>>>>>>>> should change the first part to "CurveFitting" or "Curve_Fitting" or
>>>>>>>> something like that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Electronics example looks more or less right, except for the
>>>>>>>> extra forward-slash and the ":" in between. But if you have already tried
>>>>>>>> the syntax I used, and it still didn't work, then I am really out of ideas
>>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At first I thought that the "Electronics?" link would be invalid (I
>>>>>>>> never used such syntax), but I've just tested it in my computer (using
>>>>>>>> "work?"), and it opens my Work notebook as you would expect. And the other
>>>>>>>> example ("Electronics?Multimeter") looks perfectly normal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe the Electronics interwiki-prefix is not working because Zim
>>>>>>>> didn't like the space in the other prefix and aborted the parsing of the
>>>>>>>> urls.list file (or disabled the feature completely) before reading the
>>>>>>>> Electronics line. I'm just guessing... but it might be a good idea to get
>>>>>>>> the format right with a simpler urls.list file, with just one example
>>>>>>>> (maybe the Electronics one), so you are sure that any line with wrong or
>>>>>>>> unexpected syntax is preventing the whole feature from working. Once you
>>>>>>>> have one case working, you might try adding the other ones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One last thing: make sure you're completely closing Zim before
>>>>>>>> changing the urls.list file, and that it is not running in the background
>>>>>>>> or systray. I'm not sure if Zim would detect any changes to that kind of
>>>>>>>> configuration once it's running.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't know what else to suggest. Maybe some other user
>>>>>>>> catches something we're missing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Mariano
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> El vie., 23 de oct. de 2015 a la(s) 11:35 a. m., Jason McLafferty <
>>>>>>>> jason.mclafferty@xxxxxxxxx> escribió:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Mariano,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you again for your quick reply!  I really appreciate your
>>>>>>>>> detailed example.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My urls.list is at the same location as yours (different username
>>>>>>>>> of course) following your advice in your first response.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I used a program to generate my urls.list file (my boss wrote it)
>>>>>>>>> that takes a .txt file of the contents of the Notebooks directory, and
>>>>>>>>> creates the urls.list file.  Here is one example from my urls.list:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Curve Fitting zim+file:///c:/Users/Jason/Notebooks/Curve%20Fitting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (I added percent encoding for the spaces in the file URL because
>>>>>>>>> it looks like Windows needs this, from what I have read).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To test notebook linking, I used a different notebook which has no
>>>>>>>>> space to be sure that wasn't the issue:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Electronics zim+file:///c:/Users/Jason/Notebook/Electronics
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tried two styles of links,
>>>>>>>>> (1) Electronics? (which I assumed would open the entire notebook)
>>>>>>>>> (2) Electronics?Multimeter (which I assumed would open the
>>>>>>>>> Multimeter page in the Electronics notebook).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In both cases, clicking the link produces no action.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only thing standing out to me right now is that my file URLs
>>>>>>>>> look a bit different than yours (I have three slashes after "file" and a
>>>>>>>>> ":" after c, whereas you have two slashes after "file" and no ":" after C),
>>>>>>>>> but I tried changing the format of mine to look like yours, but that did
>>>>>>>>> not affect the result.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe you will see something I missed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Mariano Draghi <mdraghi@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe there's a problem with the URL you are writing in the
>>>>>>>>>> urls.list file and/or the way you are using the interwiki link?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let's see a concrete example:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - my username in Windows is "mariano", so the %APPDATA% folder
>>>>>>>>>> resolves to:
>>>>>>>>>> C:\Users\mariano\AppData\Roaming
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - in there I have a urls.list file, in the following location:
>>>>>>>>>> C:\Users\mariano\AppData\Roaming\zim\data\zim\urls.list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - I have two Zim Notebooks, "Personal" and "Work", in the
>>>>>>>>>> following locations (these are the folders where each "notebook.zim" file
>>>>>>>>>> is located):
>>>>>>>>>> C:\Users\mariano\Dropbox\Notebooks\Personal
>>>>>>>>>> C:\Users\mariano\Dropbox\Notebooks\Work
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - In the urls.list file, I declared an "interwiki" prefix for the
>>>>>>>>>> Work notebook, with the following line:
>>>>>>>>>> work zim+file://C/Users/mariano/Dropbox/Notebooks/Work
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - With that configuration, then if I open my Personal notebook
>>>>>>>>>> and insert a link like this:
>>>>>>>>>> work?Home:Projects
>>>>>>>>>> Then when I clic it a new instance of Zim is opened, with the
>>>>>>>>>> Work notebook, and the page Home->Projects.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you doing more or less something like this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Mariano
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> El vie., 23 de oct. de 2015 a la(s) 10:44 a. m., Jason McLafferty
>>>>>>>>>> <jason.mclafferty@xxxxxxxxx> escribió:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mariano,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I greatly appreciate your quick reply, however I am sad to
>>>>>>>>>>> report that my links still do not work.  Any other suggestions I might
>>>>>>>>>>> try?  Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Mariano Draghi <
>>>>>>>>>>> mdraghi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jason,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The location of the XDG folders in Windows is a little bit
>>>>>>>>>>>> weird... you should put your urls.list in the folder
>>>>>>>>>>>> %APPDATA%/zim/data/zim
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e., there should be an extra "zim" folder inside "data".
>>>>>>>>>>>> Weird, yes. But it works :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mariano
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> El vie., 23 de oct. de 2015 a la(s) 5:43 a. m., Jason
>>>>>>>>>>>> McLafferty <jason.mclafferty@xxxxxxxxx> escribió:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am using Zim on Windows 7.  I am trying to add my Zim
>>>>>>>>>>>>> notebooks to the urls.list file using the "zim+file://" method described
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://zim-wiki.org/manual/Help/Config_Files.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use ctrl+L to add a link to a notebook as name_of_notebook?,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which creates a link, but when I click on it, nothing happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing I noticed when I was working through setting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up, is that on my system, the directories APPDATA/zim/config and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> APPDATA/zim/data do not exist (I checked where APPDATA is on my computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with cmd by typing cd %appdata% and noting the new directory).  Not being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure if this is significant or not, I did some poking around in Explorer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and found the following directory: C:\Users\Jason\.config\zim in which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> find files like preferences.conf and style.conf.  I tried putting my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> urls.list file, containing all my notebooks and formatted as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> name-space-zim+file:// in both of these directories (APPDATA/zim/data and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Users\Jason\.config\zim), but still I do not get a working link.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions to where I am going wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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