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[Guilherme Lino <guih.lino@xxxxxxxxx>]

 Agreed. I would say Zim and Jekyll have different objectives.

Zim:
Mostly content for *private *consumption
Quick note taking and format
Still can be exported to html, pdf, markdown
Can publish a basic website
Simple layout
WYSIWYG
Best, quick and practical, note taking app I have tested
Can be improved on TODOs management

Jekyll:
Mostly content for *public *consumption
Generate website from markdown
Very customizable, with a themes
Not WYSIWYG, so you probably should use a markdown editor
Bigger community, more extensions and integrations

Others I had a look:
Website generators
https://jekyllrb.com/
https://gohugo.io/

Desktop - Private/draft note applications
https://www.giuspen.com/cherrytree/
https://www.mindforger.com/
https://tamlok.github.io/vnote/en_us
https://joplinapp.org/
http://treeline.bellz.org/index.html (object templates)
https://www.qownnotes.org/
https://boostnote.io/
https://rednotebook.sourceforge.io/
http://www.theologeek.ch/manuskript/
https://github.com/zadam/trilium

(some are markdown)

Android (Note/Todo)
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.billthefarmer.diary/
- Similar to Zim journal
- Also use everyday like Zim
http://www.orgzly.com/
- Org mode
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/nl.mpcjanssen.simpletask/
- Todo txt
https://gsantner.net/project/markor.html
- Mobile most similar to Zim
- Not WYSIWG
- Some glitches sometimes

Markdown editors
https://markdownmonster.west-wind.com/
https://zettlr.com/

Others
https://www.zotero.org/


On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 10:33, Rolf Kleef <rolf@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Interesting to compare notes.
>
> I work with Jekyll and markdown too to generate static sites, with Github
> as the main collaboration platform. I use Typora as desktop WYSIWYG editor (
> https://typora.io/) and sometimes try things with Zettlr to organise
> writing (https://zettlr.com/) because it integrates nicely with Zotero
> for references and is more of wiki with a focus on (academic) writing.
>
> However, Zim still is my notebook tool (and maybe a "rough draft/outline
> tool", but not my "document production tool") because it:
>
> - has integrated journaling and task management to keep a log and track
> follow-up actions
>
> - works really well for me to keep notes and files together
>
> - offers quick keyboard navigation for note-keeping.
>
> There's an example of how you can do static site generation from Zim
> sources on Gitlab (
> https://github.com/jaap-karssenberg/zim-wiki/wiki/Host-a-website-on-GitLab-Pages).
> It's probably possible to do that with the new Github Actions too, to make
> the workflow for publishing/updating a notebook a simple "git push".
>
> With the Version plugin in Zim, saving a version to git is a simple
> ctrl-shift-s away, or you can let is save versions automatically.
>
> My content-keeping evolves as well, I'd say Zim is still an important part
> of the ecosystem :-)
>
> ~~Rolf.
>
> PS: there is also https://www.authorea.com as a sort of "Github for
> writing" but it doesn't have a desktop version for offline use. It lets you
> mix Latex, markdown, html, keep data files with the article, and has
> several academic publishing workflow features.
>
>
> On 04/09/2019 20:31, sreekar guddeti wrote:
>
> Dear Shivam,
>
> My motivation to migrate from Zim to Jekyll
> <https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll> actually involved a cascade of events
> primarily starting from a desire to version control my PhD thesis. As a
> result I fleeted along various tools like GitHub <https://github.com/>
> (for versioning content), markdown
> <https://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax#philosophy> (for
> structuring content), Atom <https://atom.io/> (for editing content) and
> Jekyll (for viewing content). The GCD (upside) of these tools turned out to
> be *seamless platform (desktop/web) agnostic content-keeping*. The LCM
> (downside) is the larger footprint compared to the much leaner Zim. Since
> Zim restrains itself by being a *desktop wiki*, I was more convinced to
> make the migration after reading this
> <https://github.com/zim-desktop-wiki/zim-desktop-wiki/issues/26> that Zim
> lacks markdown support. After reading this
> <https://v4.chriskrycho.com/2015/academic-markdown-and-citations.html>
> post on an academic writing workflow using markdown with the support of
> Pandoc <https://pandoc.org/> (for interdocument conversion), I started
> the migration. Jekyll is only a part of the process.
>    Notwithstanding my perceived limitations of Zim, as a testimony, I
> would like to share that Zim helped me learn a lot about web tools (like
> wiki functioning, html, thrill of creating your own site with
> fivethirtyeight theme :D (I still use it for my site
> <https://baalkikhaal.github.io/>)), content-keeping (like interlinking
> notebooks), API usage (my first serious foray into reading source codes was
> through Zim. I managed to extend Zim's functionality, along with some web
> scraping Python modules, to setup up a Mendeley like interface of
> many-to-many mappings between Authors, Titles and Years :D).
>   On a philosophical note, *Zim is but a bead in the process of evolution
> of content-keeping*. It is neither the beginning nor the end. Its a long
> way to go where the GCD equals the LCM (the ultimate non duality) ;).
>
> PS: I will check out the aforementioned tools -- Nikola, org-mode.
>
> sincerely yours,
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 8:49 PM Chuck Esterbrook <
> chuck.esterbrook@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi Shivam,
>>
>> What the "something better than Zim" look like? Just curious.
>>
>> -Chuck
>>
>>
>
> --
> Sreekar Guddeti,
> Spintronics and Thin Film Magnetism Lab,
> Physics Department,
> IISc Bangalore,
> India.
>
>
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