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Re: [Ayatana] Me & Messaging Indicator Menu



On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:46, Matthew Paul Thomas <mpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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frederik.nnaji@xxxxxxxxx wrote on 28/12/10 20:40:
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> MPT, here's shot at it, i took my time to do it in Inkscape now ;)
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> it portrays a new Me/Messaging Menu layout.

That's intriguing. I don't understand what the gap is for, though, or
how the bottom items work. Are they expanding sections?

yes, i thought so at first, but then i changed the design again, because that was too much FX for one little menu imo.
Now i think Mail should have 1 single inbox item for all folders. Perhaps 1 Item per email account.
The bottom items should basically take you to the next more detailed view, be it a preview or the respective app itself.
So yeah, in this version of the design they were meant as expanding sections, just like the AppIndicator part on the "Wingpanel" up top.
 
So that people can easily tell where where one menu stops and the next
begins, all menu titles need to be one icon and/or (preferably or) one
piece of text. Three icons plus text is way too much.

yessurrr, i coming to notice that gradually, cleaning that up now..
 
> state:
> * DoNotDisturb is off
> * About Me needs a good place to go

I think Gnome 3 is (finally!) abandoning About Me anyway.

i liked how you simplified About Me[1].
Perhaps this could be some kind of "card" that i can flip around, in order to add or manage my service accounts!?
..for popular social networking services, email, IM etc..

( * service)    dropdown:[Google|Yahoo!|Jabber|Facebook|Skype|...]


> * no new IM conversations ('cause i'm not sure how to populate that
> view best)
> * no status text field for now..

A design for something like this needs to still look okay when including
all possible elements. You can decide to abolish particular elements,
but it needs to be deliberate. :-)

fixing that now, thanks!
 
> * real name in panel, consistent with GDM greeter

That should still be optional (because some people have wide names), so
if we don't have About Me, we'd need to figure out somewhere else to put
the option.

As stated above, i like your redesign of About Me very much, i think that is where things should go.
About Me should be a place for everything about me, my facebook, my google, my this and my that, all in one compact overview.
 
> tbh, i still don't see the significance of having available, invisible
> and offline in the menu, nevertheless here it is, by the spec.

They're three distinct states in most IM clients. But that's probably
better discussed in the "do not disturb" thread.

The Me Menu is not an IM client, it is a system status menu, that's why i see it a bit differently at the moment, until i understand the design intentions better..

> In our effort to reduce the number of "icons" in the UI, i also omitted
> the dot that would identify which Presence state is currently enabled.
> I think that should be obvious, since it is shown in the panel already,
> and there are more icon-free ways of highlighting stuff as "active",
> Perhaps the text "busy" should be bold-faced?
>...

Whether the status is in the title depends on how you fix the title (to
not have three icons any more).

i fixed that. Now i'm not sure the bubble is good enough a symbol for the menu..
It is not generic since it refers to "speech" somehow, but that can also be an advantage..
 
But regardless, simplifying this menu by
presenting a one-of-several state (IM status) in a custom way would make
Ubuntu's *overall* interface more complex. People would need to learn
two ways that Ubuntu presented one-of-several states, rather than one.

Do you mean using a custom icon would make things confusing?
I didn't quite understand this last paragraph, though i smell some valuable insight..


[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu#Changes%20to%20About%20Me