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[Ilias Dine <ilias.dine@xxxxxxxxx>]

OK. I started from the installation and I was able to add the two types of
data elements.

I tried before to compare my setup with that of dhis demo and I found this
: in my "category options", there was not the "default" option. I do not
know how this option could disappear from my installation. I remember
asking myself at the beginning of what it would serve and I wonder if I did
not inadvertently deleted it in the beginning. I tried again to remove it
to see if it reproduced my problem but I was unable. Is it possible to know
if the option "default" can be accidentally deleted in some cases?

Another thing: in the creation of the data item, is it possible to know why
it is not possible to directly add a category with options? Why just only
combinations of categories ? I was forced in my case to create categories
combinations having only one category in order to be able to use this
category.

Thank you again.

Best Regards,
Kader


2013/12/13 Ilias Dine <ilias.dine@xxxxxxxxx>

> No, there is something not turning round with my case and I don't
> understand what. I've just removed all data set sections, then checked in
> "create data entry form" which data elements were available for insertion
> in the customizable data entry form. And only data elements being
> subdivided were available there. I've even created another data element,
> just to be sure, and added it to the data set, and it does not appear on
> the list of available data elements. When changing for this data element
> its category combination from default to another category combination, it
> then appears in the list... As if data elements having categories
> combination and data elements having "default" as categories combination
> could not gather in my installation.
>
> What can I check in order to understand what's going wrong ?
>
>
> 2013/12/13 Ilias Dine <ilias.dine@xxxxxxxxx>
>
>> I've repeated the same test: added a combination category to my data
>> element.
>> Then on data set page, clicked on "create data entry form": all
>> "subdivided" data elements are available there for insertion in the form
>> editor, I can see my data element there (ITNs) subdivided into two
>> categories.
>> After that I removed the combination category for ITNs data element and
>> choosed "default"
>> Then on data set page, clicked again on "create date entry form": all
>> "subdivided" data elements are available there for insertion in the form
>> editor, except my ITNs data element that is not present.
>>
>>
>> 2013/12/13 Ilias Dine <ilias.dine@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>> Hi Ola,
>>>
>>> This is what I've done. One section grouping data elements having same
>>> categories combination. And one section with combination category 'default'
>>> for data elements not having combination categories. In data entry, all
>>> sections appear, even one that has "default" as a categories combination.
>>> But for this section only, there is no input field 'value' to enter the
>>> value. I then tried to modify for this data element its categories
>>> combination, and when I do, the input fields appear correctly in the data
>>> entry form. I've checked the html source and there is no input field there
>>> neither.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/12/13 Ola Hodne Titlestad <olati@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>> Hi Ilias,
>>>>
>>>> Not sure I understand exactly how you have set up your data elements
>>>> and data set. I'll try to explain the rules here and have made a new
>>>> example on the demo that you can look at.
>>>>
>>>> Each section can have only one category combination. "default" (should
>>>> perhaps be called "none") can be considered a category combination so it
>>>> cannot be combined with another one. This rule is basically there to make
>>>> sure each section can be rendered as a table with the same number of
>>>> columns (category option combinations) for each row (data element).
>>>>
>>>> You can of course create multiple sections for each category
>>>> combination (depending on which data elements that you want to group
>>>> together.
>>>>
>>>> I have created a test data on the /dev demo server to illustrate.
>>>>
>>>> Go to http://apps.dhis2.org/dev
>>>> log in with the admin user
>>>> Go to data entry, select Sierra Leone and pick "test data set" and any
>>>> month.
>>>> You'll see the different sections there. The bottom one called
>>>> "Delivery" has the "default" category combination.
>>>>
>>>> You can then see how this was defined by going to dataset and sections
>>>> and data elements in the maintenance part of the system.
>>>>
>>>> Ola
>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>> Ola Hodne Titlestad (Mr)
>>>> HISP
>>>> Department of Informatics
>>>> University of Oslo
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13 December 2013 06:42, Ilias Dine <ilias.dine@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's what I've done. Separate section for each type of category
>>>>> combination. The problem is for data elements that do not have categories
>>>>> combination (e.g. total number of thick films made in the health
>>>>> center which is not subdivided into any category). I've used the
>>>>> combination category "default" available in the combo select categories but
>>>>> it doesn't seem to be the way.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/12/13 Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Use separate sections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my mobile
>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2013 02:03, "Ilias Dine" <ilias.dine@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is OK for the definition of data elements sections and gray
>>>>>>> fields, thank you again for the explanation. The problem now is that I can
>>>>>>> not put in the same data set data elements with combinations of categories
>>>>>>> and data elements that do not include combinations of categories.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my case, data elements as the total number of consultations, the
>>>>>>> total number of malaria cases, etc., are subdivided into categories. But
>>>>>>> other data elements as the number of pregnant women receiving ITNs or the
>>>>>>> total number of thick films made in the health center do not have category.
>>>>>>> I added a section for these items with the value "default" for the combo
>>>>>>> categories, but there is no field that appears for these data elements in
>>>>>>> the data entry. Should I create then a separate data element for entering
>>>>>>> these informations or is there other ways to manage this ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks again for the help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>> Ilias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2013/12/11 Jason Pickering <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Ilias,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >Jason is actually right : Pregnant women should not be counted in
>>>>>>>> > 5 Yrs. I'll pay attention to this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was not really taking a position on  it one way or the other,
>>>>>>>> just to make you aware of the fact that you should not use categorical data
>>>>>>>> elements (except very carefully) for data elements whose categories do not
>>>>>>>> add to a total. If the reporting system is collecting the data that way
>>>>>>>> (meaning pregnant women are excluded from Female/>5 years) then category
>>>>>>>> options will work fine. But if the reporting system is not, that is the
>>>>>>>> case you need to be careful with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The extreme case of this is with logistics data elements, which are
>>>>>>>> disaggregated by things like "Quantity ordered", "Quantity received", and
>>>>>>>> many other category options. If you have several hundred (or thousand) of
>>>>>>>> commodities, creating each and every "default" data element is rather
>>>>>>>> painful and inefficient. Using the option for "Skip category total
>>>>>>>> in reports" in the category combination may be more appropriate for these
>>>>>>>> types of data elements, where the category options do not add to a total.
>>>>>>>> You may then need to use other methods (indicators or SQL or whatever) to
>>>>>>>> calculate "Totals".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Ilias Dine <ilias.dine@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Adebusoye,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I understand the logic. The combination of categories created must
>>>>>>>>> have been associated first with the data element. And there's actually the
>>>>>>>>> possibility to enable or disable columns in section grey field... Thank
>>>>>>>>> you, it makes it possible to handle this case. I guess it is not possible
>>>>>>>>> to merge the two columns "sex" and that it is essential to choose a type of
>>>>>>>>> sex for pregnant women in section grey field. I then added a third option
>>>>>>>>> for sex category that I called "Sex Not Applicable" and repeated the same
>>>>>>>>> procedure. Except that: 1) I disable "Sex Not Applicable" for < 5 Yrs and >
>>>>>>>>> 5 Yrs and 2) I disable "Male" and "Female" for Pregnant Women. I will see
>>>>>>>>> what is the most obvious to use with data entry and data processing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jason is actually right : Pregnant women should not be counted in
>>>>>>>>> > 5 Yrs. I'll pay attention to this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Ilias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2013/12/10 Adebusoye Anifalaje <busoye@xxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ilias,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1) You create two data element categories (I assume you have
>>>>>>>>>> already created data element category options). For instance
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         a) Age/Pregnancy (< 5 Yrs; > 5 Yrs and Pregnant Women)
>>>>>>>>>>         b) Sex ( Male Female)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2) You create a category combination e.g. Malaria Age/Pregnancy +
>>>>>>>>>> Sex.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         a)Select Age/Pregnancy Category (this should be on top)
>>>>>>>>>>         b) select Sex Category
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3) Create data set sections (you can have a look at the manual
>>>>>>>>>> for this if you are not familiar with it)
>>>>>>>>>>         a) At this stage you Pregnancy Column will also have
>>>>>>>>>> Male/Female designations
>>>>>>>>>>         b) Use the Section Grey Field Management option to
>>>>>>>>>> disable the Male column from Pregnancy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you are still unclear about how to go about any of the steps,
>>>>>>>>>> I will be happy to help clarify.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Busoye
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Dec 2013, at 19:55, Ilias Dine <ilias.dine@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > I'm facing this problem with the definition of categories of a
>>>>>>>>>> data element. It is the total number of confirmed cases of malaria which is
>>>>>>>>>> in our system divided into 3 categories :
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > 1. Less than 5 years
>>>>>>>>>> > 2. More than 5 years
>>>>>>>>>> > 3. Pregnant women.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > The problem is that the categories "less than 5 years" and
>>>>>>>>>> "more than 5 years" are in turn divided into sub-categories "Male" and
>>>>>>>>>> "Female", while the category "Pregnant women" does not have this
>>>>>>>>>> subdivision.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Is there a way to handle this situation ?
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> > Ilias
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