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[Jason Pickering <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>]

Particularly in a conflict situation, I can't imagine having coordinates
and time-stamps of health worker locations, in a database would be a good
thing if it was compromised?



On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:23 AM, David Hagan <david.hagan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Great discussion,
>
> I understand the sentiments being expressed. A quick note that my examples
> were were just demonstrating potential tracking scenarios that I am
> personally aware of (not currently in DHS2)
>
> The ‘option’ to be able to turn this feature on, as an end-user
> capability, would perhaps be a useful compromise - give the power to the
> user of the device. That’s the request we’ve had at least.
>
> David
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:04 AM Jason Pickering <
> jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Well, it seems we are from David's suggestion unless I am
>> misunderstanding the requirement
>>
>>
>>    - In large campaigns (e.g. Polio campaigns) where a large mobile
>>    workforce are asked to go out to specific locations (villages, streets,
>>    homes), you want to MAKE SURE that you’re not being ‘gamed’ … so an
>>    automated unalterable location capture on a simple anonymous event survey
>>    form, fulfils that monitoring purpose
>>    - In conflict areas, you might want to set up (we may be looking at
>>    this) a simple self-contained polling app that auto-captures GPS
>>    coordinates every 30 minutes or so
>>
>> I think people will probably do this anyway, but I agree with Terje, that
>> this is not something that should be part of the core tools distributed by
>> the core dev team. If people want to do it, then they will probably figure
>> out a way to do it, but I would not want to install such an app on my own
>> device. Its bad enough as it is without having to worry about DHIS2
>> continuously tracking you.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> But you could give users the option of recording event locations
>>> automatically for a while for convenience, as Bram says. A user could then
>>> switch this feature on or off.
>>>
>>> We are not talking about continous tracking of movement, no location
>>> would be recorded unless the users explicitly records an event.
>>>
>>> Knut
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Terje Aksel Sanner <tasanner@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In general it is not in our spirit to develop tools that easily lend
>>>> themselves to task force surveillance.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Jason Pickering <
>>>> jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Moreover, it has privacy implications, and obviously, people would
>>>>> need to be informed they are being tracked. I don't like it and think it
>>>>> should require the explicit action of the user.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having said all of that, we have also implemented the "Coordinate"
>>>>> data value type, which is also meant to be able to allow recording of
>>>>> coordinate data in aggregate data sets (possibly tracker as well) which
>>>>> might be a distinct coordinate from the one of the event. I do not think it
>>>>> has been implemented as a feature in any of the clients at the moment, but
>>>>> it has been a requested feature to do this from some people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Rangarirai Matavire <
>>>>> matavirer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Seem I just waded into a storm. Notwithstanding, I stand unconvinced
>>>>>> about the necessity of such a feature. I do not think the aim was ever to
>>>>>> track healthworker locations. It was to track disease incidents. I do not
>>>>>> think anyone can provide evidence that such a feature has improved health
>>>>>> work. Knowing where someone is at a point in time is definitely distinct
>>>>>> from ensuring a service is provided adequately. I think there are better
>>>>>> ways.
>>>>>> On 10 Mar 2016 15:55, "David Hagan" <david.hagan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ranga,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can think of a multitude of reasons, here’s a couple:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - In large campaigns (e.g. Polio campaigns) where a large mobile
>>>>>>>    workforce are asked to go out to specific locations (villages, streets,
>>>>>>>    homes), you want to MAKE SURE that you’re not being ‘gamed’ … so an
>>>>>>>    automated unalterable location capture on a simple anonymous event survey
>>>>>>>    form, fulfils that monitoring purpose
>>>>>>>    - In conflict areas, you might want to set up (we may be looking
>>>>>>>    at this) a simple self-contained polling app that auto-captures GPS
>>>>>>>    coordinates every 30 minutes or so
>>>>>>>    - Just to save time for busy users who have queues of patients
>>>>>>>    - ….
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would also ask this functionality (a configuration option) to
>>>>>>> auto-capture reporting date/time as well! In one of our scenarios … data is
>>>>>>> only ever entered ‘live’ - so being able to capture both of these fields
>>>>>>> automatically saves time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:40 PM Rangarirai Matavire <
>>>>>>> matavirer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>> Why would that be necessary if when capturing data a user can
>>>>>>>> simply press a button to get co-ordinates?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Ranga
>>>>>>>> On 10 Mar 2016 14:56, "David Hagan" <david.hagan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I second the request!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our users would also like that ability for the Android Event
>>>>>>>>> Capture and Tracker Capture Apps (perhaps a configuration setting we can
>>>>>>>>> specify?) to allow the auto-capture of GPS coordinates.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:47 PM Erling Fjeldstad <erling@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>>>>>>> The Android Event Capture app and Android Tracker Capture app
>>>>>>>>>> allows you to collect GPS coordinates. However, this is not automatically,
>>>>>>>>>> the users needs to manually press the 'coordinate button' and then the
>>>>>>>>>> Android system fetches your GPS coordinates.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Erling - DHIS2 Android Team
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Simon Muyambo <
>>>>>>>>>> smmuyambo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I want users to auto load coordinates when capturing data on
>>>>>>>>>>> location using tablets. Anyone know if there is suitable app or set up to
>>>>>>>>>>> achieve this?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Regards*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Simon Muyambo*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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