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On 2012-03-27 07:51, Daniel Foré wrote:
> Just a point to make, Pantheon terminal is only called "Pantheon
> Terminal" on launchpad. It's called "Terminal" in the interface.
> Personally, I think it should stay like that.

This is not entirely true. The executable is also called 
pantheon-terminal.
Given that I use a terminal a lot to start applications I actually use 
these
names. I think there is nothing wrong in having branded names for the 
apps.
At least that makes it easier to distinguish them from other 'generic'
applications, as long as they can also be found using the generic name 
in the
interface.

> Also, we would never call things "Pantheon Foo" in the interface. 
> That
> would just be redundant and in reality most users will probably never
> know or care that the desktop environment they are running is called
> pantheon so it's not helpful in any way.
>
> I think there's a strong case to be made for a cross platform app 
> like
> Midori to keep its branding because of its portable nature. Same with
> BeatBox; this app is much more likely to show up in other distro's
> repos and these are apps that users will probably spend a lot of time
> in and develop strong opinions about.
>
> However for an app like Dexter or Switchboard that functions as more
> of a part of the system than a "real app" (and for which many users 
> of
> other desktops will likely have an equivalent that probably blends in
> and makes more sense on their desktop) it may be advantageous to
> simply refer to them as "Contacts" and "System Settings".
>
> I'm not terribly concerned with how these apps appear on other
> desktops because the packaging will almost certainly be different. As
> a distributor, we may want some of our apps to have generic names on
> our platform and in our repos. But if Dexter or Switchboard or
> Pantheon Terminal were packaged in Ubuntu's or Fedora's repos they
> would probably be referred to by their branded names in those 
> packages
> and not by generic names.
>
> Best Regards,
> Daniel Foré
>
> www.elementaryos.org [26]
>
> El mar 26, 2012, a las 10:37 p.m., "satchitb@xxxxxxxxx [27]"
> <satchitb@xxxxxxxxx [28]> escribió:
>
> > I wholeheartedly agree with Christian. Given that elementary users
> > may install other applications, and those on other distros may
> > install elementary applications. It wouldn't work in either case to
> > name everything "Pantheon xyz". Midori is called Midori Web Browser.
> > The name makes it simultaneously distinctive and descriptive.
> > Similarly, calling it Panther Terminal makes it both distinctive and
> > descriptive.
> >
> > On 27 March 2012 02:17, Scott Ringwelski <sgringwe@xxxxxxx [21]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I realized I only replied to cassidy.. forwarding to list:
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: SCOTT RINGWELSKI <sgringwe@xxxxxxx [10]>
> > > Date: Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:00 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Changing the name of
> > > Pantheon Terminal
> > > To: Cassidy James <c@xxxxxxxxxxx [11]>
> > >
> > > I disagree. Pantheon Terminal is not consistent with the names of
> > > our other apps and should be changed so that it is consistent. Or,
> > > we could change the names of all the other apps to have "Pantheon"
> > > in front of it's name + the apps function after (Pantheon
> > > Calendar, Pantheon Email, Pantheon Web Browser), but I think that
> > > is ridiculous and sounds bad.
> > >
> > > Even if pantheon terminal has the name Panther, we can still refer
> > > to it as "Terminal" in slingshot.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Cassidy James <c@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [12]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Shnatsel, the app naming section is really speaking more to
> > > > third-party apps that want to have a unique brand. One thing
> > > > we've been talking about that needs to be addressed is when we
> > > > have stock apps that we want to call by a generic name.
> > > >
> > > > For example, we might just want to refer to Dexter as
> > > > "Contacts," Geary as "Mail," etc. And not just the .desktop, but
> > > > actually rename the apps themselves so it'd be reflected in the
> > > > title, about menu, etc.
> > > >
> > > > It's something we're working on and will update the HIG with.
> > > > However, I really strongly think we should keep Terminal as
> > > > simple and expected as possible.
> > > > On Mar 26, 2012 8:10 AM, "Сергей" <shnatsel@xxxxxxxxx [5]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 2012/3/26 Cassidy James <c@xxxxxxxxxxx [1]>:
> > > > > > I think it's important that it be referred to as Terminal
> > > > > on the desktop
> > > > > > itself, and Pantheon Terminal simply describes that it was
> > > > > designed for our
> > > > > > DE. It's similar to how there's GNOME Terminal, GNOME
> > > > > Calculator, etc. when
> > > > > > they're just referred to as Terminal and Calculator on the
> > > > > desktop.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Calling it something else loses that obviousness and just
> > > > > seems unnecessary
> > > > > > to be honest. Plus "Panther" doesn't tell me what it does
> > > > > at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Cassidy James
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank to FreeDesktop.org [2] specs, it's up to the
> > > > > application launcher
> > > > > what to display in such cases (see
>
> http://elementaryos.org/docs/human-interface-guidelines/desktop-integration/app-launchers
> > > > > [3]).
> > > > > "Panther" is OK IMHO and it's compliant with
>
> http://elementaryos.org/docs/human-interface-guidelines/text/naming-your-app
> > > > > [4]
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > >
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> > >
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> > >
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