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[Peter <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Paul van Tilburg <paul@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 09:32:44PM +0100, Peter wrote:
>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Olivier Tilloy <olivier@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > When this was implemented, the idea was to mimic the behaviour of the
>> > gnome-volume-control applet. It is the opposite of what you write
>> > though: one may want to decrease the volume quickly and then fine-tune
>> > it by increasing it in small steps.
>>
>> This surprised me when I first found it, until I realised it was done
>> on purpose and I could see the point. It probably confuses some
>> folks but I don't recall seeing it discussed much on the forum.
>
> LOL, so for me and my friends/family the situation is reversed. My brains
> just cannot get used to it because sometimes you also want to decrease
> slightly but it won't.  There are actually more cases where I want to
> have decrease it slightly than when I want to decrease it fast.  I have
> changed them to 0.10/0.10 for my setup now.

With volume, I usually want to increase the volume gradually, often
for a quiet section of a video where I'm having trouble catching the
words. On the other hand, when something is too loud I usually
want to decrease the volume rapidly (e.g. if my other half is trying
to talk to me). I guess in some cases I'd then want to go back to
the original volume and Moovida/Elisa makes that a bit harder.

In practise I don't change the volume very often at all - we tend to
watch TV shows in batches, so the volume is fine for a season at
a time. This means I haven't really needed to change the volume
very often.

>> I've now tried the 10s/30s version and I didn't like it. It is fine for just
>> going back or just going forward, but for jumping about in a video or
>> music track I found it far more intuitive to have the left/right buttons
>> move by the same amount.
>
> I only just go back and forward.   What is an example use case of
> jumping back and forward through a video?  I am genuinely curious.

While searching for a particular scene when I couldn't recall where it
was exactly I was going back and forward (returning to where I was,
trying to keep track of the time line in my head).

An example might be when you need to go for a "comfort break"
or to get a drink, and you think there is a big scene change
coming up soon which would be a good point to stop. You skip
ahead to check (and decide if you'll watch until the end of the
scene or not), and then skip back to the previous position to
continue watching the rest of the scene (or pause now for your
break).

>> I found it very disconcerting that pressing
>> left N times then right N times did not return to my starting point.
>
> But for volume you say:  until I realises it was done on purpose and
> I could see the point.
>
> By the way, I am not critising you in anyway; I am interested in
> understanding the different usages.

Me too.

> The ones I share here are a combination of experiences of myself
> and my housemate, who obviously use it regularly and have known
> Elisa/Moovida for a long time, friends that visit regularly, but also
> of friends/family that often use it for the first time.

What was your install using? The default 60s/60s skip? That used
to really annoy me (enough to make the change and submit it).
Assuming you changed it too, it sounds like your settings will
have much more testing (and by more poeple) than just me. I've
had my machine using 20s/20s for a while, but haven't actually
played that many videos on Moovida recently. In comparison I
haven't tried the 10s/30s setup much at all.

Regards,

Peter