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["Zieba, Pawel" <pawel.zieba@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Chris,

If the goal is to increase business productivity by making their legacy
applications working on Ubuntu, I think it's a waste of our time. If we
come out from a point that "most enterprises use 5-7 years old technology
and we need to make Ubuntu working with those" this will be a step back,
not innovation. Few examples:
- Oracle Business Suit on Linux - companies use old versions, as license
renewal is expensive. Making all those legacy versions working on Linux is
impossible
- compatibility with MS Exchange: good luck! If this would be possible,
Thunderbird would already have that. You may also ask Google how
integration of *.msg files work for them ;) MS does not want to share this
and will not. MS world is not only one app, that you can easily swap to
open source equivalent, it's a whole ecosystem that locks you: Sharepoint,
MS Office with Communicator...
- Oracle Java - again, If Oracle would be interested in Linux world they
would've already shown it. As I remember they did exactly opposite
- Citrix - although I can see progress here, you will find companies still
using Citrix Presentation Server, which is not supported by Citrix. Shall
we also make sure Ubuntu is compatible with that?

It is not possible just to change the equipment/software on users' end. If
you want a change, you need to change the environment. And yes, this is not
any easy task, but changing only the operating system will not bring any
added value.

Linux is not Windows and I hope never will be. And if other market leaders
do not want to cooperate with Linux community: it's their problem. With
time, they will not have much choice (taking an example of Citrix, who
started to invest resources in development of Receiver for Linux). Our goal
should be to make sure that all best points of Linux are used as a base for
innovative, complete environment that would be ready to re-use all newest
cloud technologies like Everything-aaS, Desktop-on-Demand. Also for
on-premise infrastructure there are cheaper and open solutions.

Most enterprises do not want evangelism, that's sure. Currently, most
enterprises want savings and cheap solutions that will (at least) not
decrease users' productivity. And it's not optional: CTOs do not have any
other way: they need to cut costs. Is it evangelism showing a business case
with comparison of infrastructure based on SaaS and open solutions vs
legacy environment?





Pozdrawiam,
Regards,
Pawel
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On 1 November 2012 19:50, Chris Rowson <christopherrowson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Ubuntu and OSS are awesome. No doubt about that.
>
> But they're not the be all and end all.
>
> If you're an Windows-centric organisation with thousands of desktops and
> hundreds of servers, and you're running hundreds of legacy Windows
> applications, you're not going to move across to a technology that does not
> and will not interoperate with Windows technologies unless you're starting
> from scratch. Period.
>
> So while it might be easy enough to move infrastructures numbering
> hundreds of machines with tens of applications en mass, I don't see bigger
> enterprising doing so.
>
> Most enterprises aren't interested in evangelism or the ethics of freedom,
> they're interested in increasing productivity, efficiency and decreasing
> costs. If we can make it easier for them to migrate bit-by-bit by giving
> them access to software which interoperates with the stuff they've already
> invested in then we should do so.
>
> Look at the Enterprise leader Red Hat. Do they ignore Windows? Certainly
> not.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Alan Bell <alanbell@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>  by way of example, this is something I was messing with recently to
>> bring an enterprise application to the desktop
>>
>> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2012/10/openerp-and-ubuntu-unity-desktop-integration/
>>
>> if we can do a heap of these kind of polishing and integration tasks that
>> would be amazing. If various desktop and web based business applications
>> could be themed so that they look like they belong on the Ubuntu desktop
>> and integrate with the HUD, notifications, launcher actions etc. that would
>> be a really compelling story that Ubuntu is the best desktop to run
>> enterprise applications on. I am thinking of a collection of modules and
>> themes that you can install on your locally served web applications. Maybe
>> one for the Joomla admin interface, or wordpress admin pages, stuff for
>> osticket etc.
>>
>> Alan.
>>
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