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["Michael G. Vlachos" <mgvlachos@xxxxxxxxx>]

Pawel,

I agree to all of your points...but here a problem that I have. My company
started to cooperate with two public organizations in Greece in order to
change all their infrastructure from windows to Ubuntu. These organizations
are autonomous meaning they decided to change, they don't follow the public
sector which using windows (by contract). That means they have
to collaborate with all the others. That means we want it or not we need to
be compatible with windows. The problem I have is a little of bit off topic
of what we are discussing and is that Libre Office have a lot of
compatibility issues with ms  office. My point is that for now we cannot
avoid the trouble at least to some cases to try to work alongside with
windows ecosystem. I see that all here have more experience than me so
any suggestions are very appreciated.

Thanks,

Mike


On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Zieba, Pawel <pawel.zieba@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Chris,
>
> If the goal is to increase business productivity by making their legacy
> applications working on Ubuntu, I think it's a waste of our time. If we
> come out from a point that "most enterprises use 5-7 years old technology
> and we need to make Ubuntu working with those" this will be a step back,
> not innovation. Few examples:
> - Oracle Business Suit on Linux - companies use old versions, as license
> renewal is expensive. Making all those legacy versions working on Linux is
> impossible
> - compatibility with MS Exchange: good luck! If this would be possible,
> Thunderbird would already have that. You may also ask Google how
> integration of *.msg files work for them ;) MS does not want to share this
> and will not. MS world is not only one app, that you can easily swap to
> open source equivalent, it's a whole ecosystem that locks you: Sharepoint,
> MS Office with Communicator...
> - Oracle Java - again, If Oracle would be interested in Linux world they
> would've already shown it. As I remember they did exactly opposite
> - Citrix - although I can see progress here, you will find companies still
> using Citrix Presentation Server, which is not supported by Citrix. Shall
> we also make sure Ubuntu is compatible with that?
>
> It is not possible just to change the equipment/software on users' end. If
> you want a change, you need to change the environment. And yes, this is not
> any easy task, but changing only the operating system will not bring any
> added value.
>
> Linux is not Windows and I hope never will be. And if other market leaders
> do not want to cooperate with Linux community: it's their problem. With
> time, they will not have much choice (taking an example of Citrix, who
> started to invest resources in development of Receiver for Linux). Our goal
> should be to make sure that all best points of Linux are used as a base for
> innovative, complete environment that would be ready to re-use all newest
> cloud technologies like Everything-aaS, Desktop-on-Demand. Also for
> on-premise infrastructure there are cheaper and open solutions.
>
> Most enterprises do not want evangelism, that's sure. Currently, most
> enterprises want savings and cheap solutions that will (at least) not
> decrease users' productivity. And it's not optional: CTOs do not have any
> other way: they need to cut costs. Is it evangelism showing a business case
> with comparison of infrastructure based on SaaS and open solutions vs
> legacy environment?
>
>
>
>
>
> Pozdrawiam,
> Regards,
> Pawel
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> On 1 November 2012 19:50, Chris Rowson <christopherrowson@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Ubuntu and OSS are awesome. No doubt about that.
>>
>> But they're not the be all and end all.
>>
>> If you're an Windows-centric organisation with thousands of desktops and
>> hundreds of servers, and you're running hundreds of legacy Windows
>> applications, you're not going to move across to a technology that does not
>> and will not interoperate with Windows technologies unless you're starting
>> from scratch. Period.
>>
>> So while it might be easy enough to move infrastructures numbering
>> hundreds of machines with tens of applications en mass, I don't see bigger
>> enterprising doing so.
>>
>> Most enterprises aren't interested in evangelism or the ethics of
>> freedom, they're interested in increasing productivity, efficiency and
>> decreasing costs. If we can make it easier for them to migrate bit-by-bit
>> by giving them access to software which interoperates with the stuff
>> they've already invested in then we should do so.
>>
>> Look at the Enterprise leader Red Hat. Do they ignore Windows? Certainly
>> not.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Alan Bell <alanbell@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>  by way of example, this is something I was messing with recently to
>>> bring an enterprise application to the desktop
>>>
>>> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2012/10/openerp-and-ubuntu-unity-desktop-integration/
>>>
>>> if we can do a heap of these kind of polishing and integration tasks
>>> that would be amazing. If various desktop and web based business
>>> applications could be themed so that they look like they belong on the
>>> Ubuntu desktop and integrate with the HUD, notifications, launcher actions
>>> etc. that would be a really compelling story that Ubuntu is the best
>>> desktop to run enterprise applications on. I am thinking of a collection of
>>> modules and themes that you can install on your locally served web
>>> applications. Maybe one for the Joomla admin interface, or wordpress admin
>>> pages, stuff for osticket etc.
>>>
>>> Alan.
>>>
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