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["Zieba, Pawel" <pawel.zieba@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Boleslaw,

If your goal is not to re-use new technologies in the enterprise, then I
have to admit that our points of view are much different. :)
And I also think Ubuntu's strategy is currently a step forward before
everyone else. I do not work for Canonical, so it's only my assumption, but
I think going for Unity and push for Ubuntu for ARM instead of chasing MS
technologies is a clear evidence for the fact that Canonical wants to be at
least up-to-date with current technology trends.

Providing legacy apps remotely does not give a false sense of comfort. I am
pretty sure of that after two years since we migrated our first team to our
MDC Concept and about 3000 users all around the world already working
without complaints and big problems. Especially those problems you
mentioned below. Now we are again making a step forward and searching for
even more efficient ways of providing virtual apps.

If you are open for a change, this should be you to make the first step in
your company! My team made such step few years back and the outcome is
really great! And we are also not the decision makers in our company. If
you are not the decision maker, maybe there is a decision maker who would
be eager to change, when proper business case / case study is prepared and
presented!

As to the goals: I do not feel in position to define goals myself. I would
rather have it a cooperation work. Your wiki was a good first step. I would
say now it's time what to add missing points and assign priorities. I would
also leave place for 2-3 different options / approaches for each point to
enable discussion (like the one we are having now). Discussion on technical
details of each solution may be done in separate sub-streams. That would be
my idea and I am interested in other opinions.

And last but not least: if you can drive your Ferrari faster at home than
at work... well...

I would ask myself if I really need this Ferrari, because the only thing I
gain thanks to this nice car is the looks and a speed limit nightmare for
70% of my day time.

Summarizing, I would be really interested in creating a high level basis
for a perfect solution for enterprise that would take Ubuntu as the front
end OS for the end user and a main point of the overall IT environment,
adding new ideas for Ubuntu development, reusing open solutions, avoiding
vendor locking and simplifying the overall IT management while creating
reliable and flexible IT environment. I believe this is the future of IT in
the enterprise. It is not possible without newest technologies. On the
other hand, I am aware there are many companies having current / legacy
(whatever named) technologies. I would see this forum playing advisory role
and showing the path for a change for those enterprises that really want to
change.

Pozdrawiam,
Regards,
Pawel
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On 7 November 2012 13:52, Bolesław Tokarski <boleslaw.tokarski@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Hello, Paweł,
>
> I am having some difficulties with recognising what you define as the 5-7
> year old engine.
>
> I do not think that chasing new technology is the way to go, nor a goal of
> this group.
>
>
>  From my experience I can say that for desktop environment and Windows
>> legacy application the only way is to move them to virtual environment. I
>> would advise to re-use cloud services (what we are currently evaluating
>> within Capgemini), like Desktop-on-Demand, Application-on-Demand.
>>
>> For those, who need to host everything locally, there are technologies
>> like Citrix, VMWare and many others. But expensive. Both with money and
>> effort.
>>
>>  There are two approaches to using remote apps - either you have that for
> the apps that do not work in your (Linux) environment or you use the
> paradigm of using only remote apps.
>
> From your presentation at the UES I believe you took the latter, all
> applications running remotely. This is consistent, allows you to switch
> backend applications quite easily, dismissing the problem of the OS
> required for the particular app.
>
> However, the former approach of "just" providing legacy apps remotely
> gives you a false sense of comfort - you no longer have the urge to migrate
> to standard-based protocols or apps that will run natively under Ubuntu.


> I believe my company would be happy to provide regular Outlook as a Citrix
> XenApp to Ubuntu users. However, that would mean that the Exchange guys can
> freely break IMAP, firewall some ports that are "not required" and tell the
> users to use the uniform Outlook client from the Cloud.
>
>
>  For server side, I would recommend leaving Exchange server behind for
>> other technologies (both on-premise and as a service). The choice is quite
>> good. And if you look around carefully, you may even find a good SaaS
>> solution with on-premise servers. You just need to be open for a change.
>>
>>  Well, I am open to change, but I am not the (only) one making decisions
> in my company.
>
>  Again: making Ubuntu work with 5-7 years old technology (just because it
>> is already there) is not innovative. I would even call it a step back. It's
>> like buying Ferrari, then changing the engine to old and rusty one, because
>> you are not allowed to drive more than 35 MPH anyways... If you buy
>> Ferrari, you change the roads you are driving on, not the engine, you go to
>> a race track, to be able to use full power of the car.
>>
>>  I am running my Ferrari on my race track at home. I do not mind driving
> the same Ferrari at work even on 35mph roads. It's much more comfortable
> than those GM cars (see: http://www.performantsystems.**com/GM.html<http://www.performantsystems.com/GM.html>
> )
>
>  Yes, some of current issues can be solved during this discussion, but the
>> question is "is this the goal of this forum"?
>>
>>  Well, I guess then we need to define some goals. That is a good idea.
> Let's work on them. How would you define our goals?
>
> Cheers,
> Ballock
>
>
>
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