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[Mário Luzeiro <mrluzeiro@xxxxx>]

"Olimex is paving the way with their migration from Eagle to KiCad. Hopefully the
Arduinos, Adrafruits and Sparkfuns of the world will one day choose to
use KiCad too."

That is good news. Olimex precedes Arduino and the boom of opensource hardware we are at moment. I remember long years ago that Olimex was already a reference in embedded systems with their development boards.
It would be good to get some feedback from them after they finish the product about the use of Kicad.

Mario

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From: Kicad-developers [kicad-developers-bounces+mrluzeiro=ua.pt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Javier Serrano [javier.serrano.pareja@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 03 November 2015 16:36
To: Wayne Stambaugh
Cc: KiCad Developers
Subject: Re: [Kicad-developers] Looking for complex board designs

While we're at this, Olimex is working on a nice board using KiCad:

https://olimex.wordpress.com/2015/10/16/we-work-on-a64-olinuxino-the-first-open-source-hardware-64-bit-development-board/
https://olimex.wordpress.com/2015/10/23/a64-olinuxino-update/

Which allows me to repeat my mantra :) The opposite of "commercial" is
"non-commercial". The opposite of "open source" is "proprietary".
Various references to "commercial" in this thread should be replaced
with "proprietary". The Olimex boards are commercial *and* open
source, which is a great combination. Sorry for being a bit tiring
with this, but I think it's important.

Mário mentioned how good it would be if major institutions embraced
KiCad because they could be seen as trend setters. I think among the
important trend setters there are these companies which design open
hardware boards and sell them to the general public. Olimex is paving
the way with their migration from Eagle to KiCad. Hopefully the
Arduinos, Adrafruits and Sparkfuns of the world will one day choose to
use KiCad too.

Cheers,

Javier

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> This is exactly what I am looking for.  It doesn't need to be a big
> production, just a link to our website.
>
> On 11/3/2015 10:08 AM, Mark Roszko wrote:
>> The Paltatech boards were the closest ones to "commerical" but they
>> have had the linked added.
>> http://www.paltatech.com/eiti/
>> http://www.paltatech.com/electrosmart/
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> I'm OK with this.  I don't know if we even have any commercial boards on
>>> our made with KiCad page.  I'm really not trying to stir up controversy
>>> here.  I merely want to protect the best interests of the project.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> On 11/3/2015 9:36 AM, Adam Wolf wrote:
>>>> It might be easier to agree on a policy for projects where they provide
>>>> KiCad design files, and figure out the policy for ones where they don't
>>>> later.
>>>>
>>>> Cut the problem in half, and tackle the easy one :)
>>>>
>>>> Adam Wolf
>>>> Cofounder and Engineer
>>>> Wayne and Layne
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/3/2015 5:09 AM, Javier Serrano wrote:
>>>>     > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>     >> I know it's noisy but I want developer input on this as well as website
>>>>     >> developer input.  I think the developers have a right to know how their
>>>>     >> work is being used and have a say in it.  The CERN folks may want some
>>>>     >> say on this as well and I'm not sure they see the website mailing list
>>>>     >> stuff.
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Hi, if I understand well the debate is not really about how we allow
>>>>     > our work to be used, but rather about what to host or link to in the
>>>>     > website and the conditions thereof. As to the former, by including a
>>>>     > GPL2+ or GPL3+ header in our sources we agree that they be used in any
>>>>     > way which complies with those licenses. As to the latter, I have no
>>>>     > strong opinion on the subject, and will agree with whatever you guys
>>>>     > decide. I do have a slight preference for not requiring funding in
>>>>     > exchange of linking because that could open a can of worms. For
>>>>     > instance, we could be faced with a situation where a project we don't
>>>>     > want to advertise (for whatever reason) expects linking just because
>>>>     > they funded KiCad development.
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Cheers,
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Javier
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     I'm not requiring funding.  I'm just throwing it out as an option for
>>>>     commercial products to get on the "Made with KiCad" page without
>>>>     mentioning KiCad on there website.  We need to have some show of good
>>>>     faith that a board was actually designed with KiCad.  If the company
>>>>     that produced that board with KiCad is not willing to at least state
>>>>     publicly that they used KiCad (something like the "powered by Apache
>>>>     logo") to design the board, we shouldn't be in the business of giving
>>>>     them free advertising.  It also puts the burden of proof that they used
>>>>     KiCad on them.  In other words, they are making the claim.  Not us.  I
>>>>     can foresee a situation where someone claims that there board was design
>>>>     with KiCad to get some open source/hardware good will when in fact they
>>>>     didn't use KiCad.  This puts KiCad in a potentially embarrassing
>>>>     situation that I would like to avoid.  There would be no expectation of
>>>>     funding.  Only an expectation of good will.
>>>>
>>>>     Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>     Wayne
>>>>
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