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Message #34690
Re: Mac HighDPI performance
The problem with this branching method is that virtually no one else but
the developer who is working in a feature branch actually tests the code
in the feature branch. If you are lucky, one other person developer
will test it. That is why I don't really like this model. Our
development branch gets a high amount of user testing since it's readily
available in nightly builds. This results in bugs being fixed quickly
and helps keep the development branch reasonably stable.
On 3/5/2018 10:23 AM, Jon Evans wrote:
> I think you're describing something similar to
> this: http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
> which I think can work pretty well. It does require more
> work/dedication than the model KiCad uses today.
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 10:19 AM, José Ignacio <jose.cyborg@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:jose.cyborg@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> Once the point release is done, no more bugfix releases are
> necessary on the previous one, that should reduce the effort of
> backporting fixes to a codebase that was branched way back. As it is
> right now, fixing a bug that affects both stable and dev 1 year in
> the future would mean writing a patch for 2 pretty different looking
> codebases (and the bug might not even exist in dev because the code
> was rewritten), so either the effort is (almost) duplicated or the
> bug goes unfixed.
>
> One way this could work is to, instead of keeping a stale branch
> with the stable release where fixes need to be
> backported/cherry-picked to, just keep big destabilizing changes
> away from Master. And make all stable releases be just a tag in
> Master, with a x.x-bugfix branch existing only if a bug fix had to
> be backported before the next point release was ready, big features
> that can leave kicad unstable or incompatible can go into a staging
> branch that gets pulled into master when the next point release
> merge window opens. Those disruptions almost never happened during
> 5.0 development, most of the time devs have been exceptionally good
> at keeping kicad stable and compatible throughout the dev process,
> except where it couldn't be avoided (like the big sym-lib-table change).
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> There is no formal process. It's primarily based on discussion
> on the
> mailing list and me making the final decisions. The road maps
> live in
> the kicad source repo in the /Documentation/development/
> folder. They
> definitely need updated. I just haven't gotten around to
> updating them.
> I was going to do that sometime after the v5 release.
>
> As for a v5.1, we have not done point releases in the past due
> to lack
> of manpower. I have done most of the stable branch maintenance
> and it's
> more work than you would think and I just don't have the time to add
> point releases to my list of responsibilities. If someone
> proposes a
> reasonable way to do this without tying up a lot of developer
> time then
> I'm not opposed to it. Please keep in mind the long term
> ramifications
> of potentially maintaining multiple stable branches when developers
> leave the project. If we could always depend on a given level of
> developer time, this probably wouldn't be that big of an issue
> but we
> cannot depend on any guaranteed level of manpower. Maybe in the
> future
> that is a luxury we will have.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 3/5/2018 9:36 AM, Jon Evans wrote:
> > Do we have a process or workflow for proposing changes to the roadmap?
> > A number of the things from the V5 roadmap didn't happen, so it might
> > make sense to move some things around to V6 (and possibly a V5.1) roadmaps
> >
> > -Jon
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >
> > Jon,
> >
> > The v6 road map is here:
> >
> > http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html
> <http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html>
> > <http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html
> <http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html>>
> >
> > I was planning on working on the schematic object but I wouldn't be
> > offended if you want to implement it. If you do decide to work on this,
> > please keep me in the loop. I have some things that I definitely want
> > implemented as part of this object most of which you have probably
> > already run into with your connectivity work.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >
> > On 3/4/2018 3:07 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
> > > We should probably make some kind of road map if it doesn't exist
> > > already, concerning the path to GAL for eeschema and who will be doing
> > > what. For example, it might make sense to do the SCHEMATIC class
> > > refactoring you were talking about before or in parallel with parts of
> > > the porting effort.
> > >
> > > I'm up for working on this too, as soon as my connectivity / bus stuff
> > > has landed.
> > >
> > > -Jon
> > >
> > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:46 Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree. If it's not an easy straight forward fix, I would prefer to
> > > spend our precious manpower resources on the GAL port as well. I don't
> > > know when in the v6 cycle any of this will happen but I'm guessing it
> > > will happen fairly early. Tom or Orson, do either of you have any idea
> > > when this will happen?
> > >
> > > Wayne
> > >
> > > On 03/04/2018 02:40 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
> > > > FWIW, I don't find the existing performance to be unusable, it's just
> > > > not up to the standards of PcbNew/GAL. I don't think it's worth any
> > > > effort beyond easy fixes, we should put that energy into the GAL
> > > port.
> > > >
> > > > -Jon
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:34 Bernhard Stegmaier
> > > <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would judge it wrt eeschema GAL conversion.
> > > > If that starts with v6, I don’t know if it is worth the effort.
> > > > If it is unsure when this will happen, it might be worth it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On 4. Mar 2018, at 20:30, Wayne Stambaugh
> > > <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > >> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Ughh! I don't have a good answer for this
> one. My
> > best guess is
> > > >> to fix
> > > >> the wx macos code first and see what
> performance issues are
> > > left. The
> > > >> problem with messing with any of this is that
> if you break
> > > >> something it
> > > >> will break all of the legacy canvas rendering
> not just the
> > > schematic
> > > >> editor. I would move extremely carefully
> here. I
> > would prefer
> > > >> that we
> > > >> don't go too crazy this late in the v5
> release cycle.
> > If the
> > > >> performance is truly not usable on macos,
> then we may
> > have no
> > > choice.
> > > >>
> > > >> On 03/04/2018 02:07 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > > >>> It turns out the fonts aren’t really the
> problem.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It starts with this gem in wxWidgets:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
> voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::ScrollRect(constwxRect*rect,intdx,intdy)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> {
> > > >>>
> > > >>> #if1
> > > >>>
> > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay();
> > > >>>
> > > >>> #else
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> //Weshoulddosomethinglikethis,butitwasn'tworkingin10.4.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> if(GetNeedsDisplay())
> > > >>>
> > > >>> {
> > > >>>
> > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() ;
> > > >>>
> > > >>> }
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> NSRectr=wxToNSRect([m_osxViewsuperview],*rect);
> > > >>>
> > > >>> NSSizeoffset=NSMakeSize((float)dx,(float)dy);
> > > >>>
> > > >>> [m_osxViewscrollRect:rby:offset];
> > > >>>
> > > >>> #endif
> > > >>>
> > > >>> }
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() with no rectangle argument
> > invalidates the
> > > >>> entire window.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Even if you fix that (to scroll most of the
> window and
> > only
> > > >>> invalidate
> > > >>> the newly-exposed parts), you run into this:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
> voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::drawRect(void*rect,WXWidgetslf,void*WXUNUSED(_cmd))
> > > >>>
> > > >>> {
> > > >>>
> > > >>> //preparingtheupdateregion
> > > >>>
> > > >>> wxRegionupdateRgn;
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
> //sinceaddingmanyrectstoaregionisacostlyprocess,bydefaultusetheboundingrect
> > > >>>
> > > >>> #if0
> > > >>>
> > > >>> constNSRect*rects;
> > > >>>
> > > >>> NSIntegercount;
> > > >>>
> > > >>> [slfgetRectsBeingDrawn:&rectscount:&count];
> > > >>>
> > > >>> for(inti=0;i<count;++i)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> {
> > > >>>
> > > >>> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,rects[i]));
> > > >>>
> > > >>> }
> > > >>>
> > > >>> #else
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,*(NSRect*)rect));
> > > >>>
> > > >>> #endif
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> …which will /also/ cause the whole window to be
> > repainted if
> > > there’s
> > > >>> both an invalidated horizontal strip and a
> vertical one.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> And the latter turns out to be pretty much
> guaranteed
> > by this
> > > >>> one, which
> > > >>> batches repaints:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> voidwxNonOwnedWindow::Update()
> > > >>>
> > > >>> {
> > > >>>
> > > >>> if(clock()-s_lastFlush>CLOCKS_PER_SEC/30)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> {
> > > >>>
> > > >>> s_lastFlush=clock();
> > > >>>
> > > >>> m_nowpeer->Update();
> > > >>>
> > > >>> }
> > > >>>
> > > >>> }
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> But even Kicad isn’t blameless. Once you
> fix all
> > those there’s
> > > >>> still no
> > > >>> checking in SCH_SCREEN::Draw() to see if the
> > individual draw
> > > items
> > > >>> intersect the update region. (Sure, the
> actually
> > drawing is
> > > >>> clipped in
> > > >>> the end, but you still go through a /lot/ of
> code to
> > get there.)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> All of these are fixable, and we’ve already
> crossed the
> > > Rubicon of
> > > >>> having our own OSX wxWidgets branch.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> But it’s still a reasonable amount of work,
> with a
> > > non-trivial risk
> > > >>> profile. Should I continue?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Cheers,
> > > >>> Jeff.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 01:30, Bernhard Stegmaier
> > > >>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > >>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> No.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On 4. Mar 2018, at 01:51, Andrey Kuznetsov
> > > <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Would it be an easy fix to change the text/font such that it
> > > >>>>> does not
> > > >>>>> affect performance so significantly on MacOS?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
> > > >>>>> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > >>>>> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On 03/03/2018 07:33 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Hi Andrey,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I did some profiling and I’d guess
> that the
> > > difference in
> > > >>>>> eeschema and pcbnew-legacy
> performance is
> > down to there
> > > >>>>> being
> > > >>>>> more text in the schema. Since we
> use a
> > stroke font,
> > > >>>>> there’s
> > > >>>>> a lot of stroke segments in each
> letter.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> @Devs,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I understand why we use a stroke
> font on the
> > PCB, but
> > > >>>>> there’s
> > > >>>>> not much reason in eeschema, is there?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> This is possibly one of the things that
> I plan on
> > > changing after
> > > >>>>> the new schematic file format is
> written. The
> > new file
> > > format
> > > >>>>> will support font definitions so
> replacing the stroke
> > > font in
> > > >>>>> Eeschema should be doable. Whether or
> not I have time
> > > to make
> > > >>>>> this change remains to be seen.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Wayne
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>>> Jeff.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On 3 Mar 2018, at 08:18, Andrey
> Kuznetsov
> > > >>>>> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The motherboard project is not very
> > complex, I
> > > would say
> > > >>>>> that performance should be
> tolerable UP
> > to that
> > > size
> > > >>>>> complexity, if we set the bar
> any lower,
> > > usability will
> > > >>>>> suffer and people won't like KiCad
> > because it's
> > > sluggish
> > > >>>>> and interface lag is the worst
> kind of lag.
> > > >>>>> My project isn't finished and
> Chris'
> > project is
> > > >>>>> available
> > > >>>>> now, is just the right
> complexity and has
> > layout
> > > >>>>> that can
> > > >>>>> be used for testing as well as
> a schematic.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> *LG 5K 27" display running
> 3200x1800 (the
> > highest
> > > >>>>> resolution without making text
> blurry, using
> > > this for
> > > >>>>> work every day, so it's
> extravagant, it's
> > > practical)*
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> *Actions:* pan with middle
> mouse, zoom
> > back and
> > > forth.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> *eeschema:*
> > > >>>>> Low Res - at least 2 times
> slower than
> > would be
> > > >>>>> considered normal, I would have
> to guess
> > ~400ms lag
> > > >>>>> Normal - 4-5x slower compared
> to low res mode
> > > >>>>> ~1700ms lag
> > > >>>>> Even in low res mode, and
> removing 75% of the
> > > items from
> > > >>>>> Chris' schematic, the lag is still
> > ~200-300ms,
> > > that's
> > > >>>>> just not right. Additionally, I
> filed
> > > >>>>>
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>
> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>>
> > > >>>>>
> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>
> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>>>
> > > because
> > > >>>>> the mouse zoom is screwed up in
> eeschema,
> > > coupled with
> > > >>>>> the lag, it's unusable. Maybe
> the pan lag is
> > > related to
> > > >>>>> the zoom, maybe there are
> multiple steps
> > being
> > > rendered
> > > >>>>> when it should just jump to
> where the mouse
> > > ended up at,
> > > >>>>> I don't know.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> *pcbnew - **Normal Resolution:*
> > > >>>>> Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms
> > > >>>>> Fallback: 500-1000ms for panning,
> > 300-600ms for
> > > zoom
> > > >>>>> Legacy: 1300-1700ms for
> panning, 600ms
> > for zoom
> > > >>>>> Low Res mode: did not notice speed
> > increase, except
> > > >>>>> maybe
> > > >>>>> Fallback was ~400ms faster.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I'm not saying halt the horses,
> certain
> > modes are
> > > >>>>> obviously limited, ie Legacy
> and Fallback by
> > > the nature
> > > >>>>> of the task presented, but
> eeschema is barely
> > > displaying
> > > >>>>> 10% of the content pcbnew is
> but lagging so
> > > much worse!
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Just thought I'd include
> rendering of the
> > > Accelerated
> > > >>>>> Graphics (top to bottom:
> Supersampling 4x,
> > > Subpixel AA
> > > >>>>> (Ultra Quality), No AA)
> > > >>>>> All 3 modes are responsive,
> probably
> > <50-100ms
> > > lag, I'd
> > > >>>>> consider this performance
> great, considering
> > > the amount
> > > >>>>> of elements on screen.
> > > >>>>> <image.png>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> How long should it take to
> delete this many
> > > selected
> > > >>>>> elements in pcbnew?
> > > >>>>> Answer: about 50x too long! I
> think it
> > was like
> > > 3mins,
> > > >>>>> perhaps ESC key should be
> available to press
> > > anytime to
> > > >>>>> undo the delete action and
> restore to
> > > pre-delete screen
> > > >>>>> when accidental actions are
> triggered
> > that take
> > > forever
> > > >>>>> to complete?
> > > >>>>> <image.png>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53 AM,
> Bernhard
> > Stegmaier
> > > >>>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> to be honest, I don’t
> really know
> > what this is
> > > >>>>> about.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> @Andrey:
> > > >>>>> You looked for a very complex
> > (foreign) project
> > > >>>>> (Chris mainboard?)
> > > >>>>> to prove that eeschema is
> slow on Mac?
> > > >>>>> Well, we know that and we
> told you
> > already some
> > > >>>>> weeks/months ago
> > > >>>>> why it is like it is (if
> memory serves me
> > > right).
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Or, do you have an own
> project that is so
> > > >>>>> ridiculously slow, that
> > > >>>>> you can’t work with it?
> > > >>>>> If so, please provide it so
> that we can
> > > analyse why
> > > >>>>> this specific
> > > >>>>> project behaves like that.
> > > >>>>> If you can’t or don’t want
> to provide
> > it we
> > > could
> > > >>>>> tell you how to
> > > >>>>> do some performance
> measurements so
> > that we
> > > >>>>> might see
> > > >>>>> something.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Obviously, there are a
> number of Mac
> > users
> > > here and
> > > >>>>> also over at
> > > >>>>> the KiCad forum who might
> also be
> > happy to get
> > > >>>>> some more
> > > >>>>> performance here and there,
> but who
> > are in
> > > general
> > > >>>>> reasonably able
> > > >>>>> to work on their projects
> (including
> > > myself, on a
> > > >>>>> 2012 Retina
> > > >>>>> MacBook with only an i5).
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>> Bernhard
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> > On 2. Mar 2018, at 17:59,
> Andy Peters
> > > >>>>> <devel@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
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> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:53
> PM, Seth
> > Hillbrand
> > > >>>>> <seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> Andrey-
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> I'm moving this to a new
> thread so
> > that
> > > we don't
> > > >>>>> conflate the
> > > >>>>> OpenMP discussion with this.
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> Can you test running
> Kicad with the
> > > "Open in Low
> > > >>>>> Resolution"
> > > >>>>> mode enabled? You can
> activate this by
> > > choosing
> > > >>>>> "Get
> > > >>>>> Info" on the
> > > >>>>> main KiCad application and
> checking the
> > > option that
> > > >>>>> says "Open in
> > > >>>>> Low Resolution". You may
> need to do
> > the same
> > > >>>>> for the
> > > >>>>> other
> > > >>>>> applications (Eeschema,
> pcbnew, etc)
> > as well.
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > testing on my 2017”
> touch-bar MBP …
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > Good g-d, low-res mode
> looks fuzzy
> > and weird!
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > I don’t notice any specific
> > differences in
> > > >>>>> EESchema
> > > >>>>> performance.
> > > >>>>> Maybe my schematic isn’t
> busy enough?
> > I’m a
> > > fan of
> > > >>>>> using more
> > > >>>>> smaller sheets with less
> info on each
> > than
> > > one big
> > > >>>>> sheet with
> > > >>>>> everything.
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > I know, anecdote is not
> evidence.
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > -a
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> -Seth
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> 2018-03-01 18:09
> GMT-08:00 Andrey
> > > Kuznetsov
> > > >>>>> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
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> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>:
> > > >>>>> >> Hi,
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> So for now I've had a
> chance to
> > test the
> > > >>>>> motherboard project on
> > > >>>>> my Retina macbook display.
> > > >>>>> >> eeschema: horrible zoom,
> feels like
> > > elastic band
> > > >>>>> zoom and I
> > > >>>>> have all scroll wheel
> accelerations
> > and similar
> > > >>>>> disabled, zoom
> > > >>>>> response is super laggy,
> cannot work like
> > > this, will
> > > >>>>> need to make
> > > >>>>> schematics on windows.
> > > >>>>> >> pcbnew by order of slowness:
> > > >>>>> >> legacy - pretty slow,
> zoom lag is
> > major,
> > > boo boo
> > > >>>>> >> modern (fallback) -
> decent, but
> > the lag
> > > can be
> > > >>>>> felt, zoom lag
> > > >>>>> is minor
> > > >>>>> >> modern (accelerated) -
> almost cannot
> > > feel the
> > > >>>>> lag,
> > > >>>>> very nice,
> > > >>>>> nice zoom responsiveness
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> I'll report tomorrow on
> 5K LG display.
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >
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