There is one library name I'm concerned about. See
https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-symbols/issues/451#issuecomment-378701973.
This would be a breaking change, but if it's important enough to
change it's likely to only affect a small subset of all KiCad users.
It is "correct" to have a library with symbols for simulation named
"pspice"? Should the library just be named "spice" or something more
generic?
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 11:07 AM Rene Pöschl <poeschlr@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:poeschlr@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Just to be sure i will ask the other librarians how strict they where
with our policy. (Sadly on the symbol side git is not of much help
so i
really need to rely on their word. I will also make some manual
checks.)
For the future we might think about getting check scripts
developed that
check for changes that would go too far. (To reduce the chance of
human
errors. Some maintainers might be tempted to include one small change
that is slightly across the line. If this happens with enough
frequency
then the sum of all changes could be too much.)
On 28/08/18 19:16, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> On 8/28/2018 12:48 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
>> Right now we have no changes made that would break projects.
(That is
>> what i meant with "backwards compatibility" I know it is not
quite the
>> right term)
>>
>> Also i thought the cache lib plus rescue dialog should take care of
>> minor changes to symbols if the user does not want to update a
symbol
>> should it be changed.
> Yes, but I do not like depending on the cache. It's too
fragile. Once
> the new schematic file format is in place, this will no be an issue.
> Until then, I prefer to error on the side of caution given the cache
> issues we've had in the past.
>
>> It should not even be necessary as we do not allow changes to
symbol pin
>> numbers or positions. (Unless there was a mistake in the symbol.)
>>
>> As we did not include any of the wrongly scaled or wrongly
aligned 3d
>> models in the version 5 library there is also no danger of
damaging the
>> 3d rendering side. (There is a reason why the version 5 3d
model library
>> is a lot smaller compared to the version 4 3d model lib)
>>
>> We do neither allow changing any library names nor do we change
symbol,
>> footprint or 3d model names unless the original name was wrong
enough to
>> be in danger of being confused with a part different to the one
that the
>> object really represents.
>>
>> If you do not intend to include the library then i will lift
the ban on
>> major changes as it does not make any sense in that case to
hold back.
>> (The only reason would be to allow including bugfixes into
future kicad
>> bugfix releases. I would include updating to newer industry
standards as
>> bugfix. The later is the main work being continued on the footprint
>> side. We simply where not done with it with the v5 release but
it was
>> not bad enough to postpone the release.)
> I didn't realize you were keeping tight control of the library
commits.
> I'm fine with these changes being added to 5.0.1. I would like
to keep
> the libraries relatively stable during the entire 5 stable
series. For
> version 6, you can make whatever changes you see fit.
>
>>
>> On 28/08/18 18:30, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>> I would be careful with any library improvements during stable
bug fix
>>> releases, particularly for symbol and 3d model libraries which are
>>> linked rather than embedded. My preference would be to just
use the
>>> same libraries tagged for the 5.0.0 release to keep changes to
user
>>> designs to a minimum. Users can always download the latest
libraries if
>>> they prefer the bleeding edge.
>>>
>>> On 8/28/2018 12:18 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
>>>> Is it planned to include a new version of the libraries as well?
>>>> Right now we ensure that the library is relatively stable so
i think the
>>>> improvements made since the v5 release can easily be included.
>>>> (We do not allow major changes that would break backward
compatibility.
>>>> My plan is to use this rule at least till after the 5.1
release. Maybe
>>>> even until the new file format is well enough implemented to
play around
>>>> with it in the official library.)
>>>>
>>>> On 27/08/18 21:38, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>>>> I would like to get the 5.0.1 release out by the end of
September if at
>>>>> all possible. There are still a few open bug reports which
need to be
>>>>> fixed before we can release this so if you can fix any of
the ones that
>>>>> do not already have an assignee[1], any help would be
appreciated. My
>>>>> goal is to have all of the bug reports closed by 9/15 and
give the
>>>>> package devs a few weeks before making the release announcement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]: https://launchpad.net/kicad/+milestone/5.0.1
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