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[Jon Evans <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I agree with Seth.  The longer a feature is part of KiCad, the more people
will refer to it in forum posts, tutorials, etc.   This feature has now
existed for plenty long enough for people to expect it.  If there are no
packaging reasons to do otherwise, I support it being included in all
builds.

-Jon

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:49 PM Seth Hillbrand <seth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I agree that this is one area where we can improve the user experience.
>
> By first-class, I mean only that it is an integral part of KiCad that we
> develop and support.  We are no longer in the testing phase where it would
> make sense to have a conditional compilation.
>
> -Seth
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 4:51 PM Mark Roszko <mark.roszko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> You say it's first class but the spice gui needs alot of loving. The tool
>> framework is also ducktaped poorly into it.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 7:14 PM Seth Hillbrand <seth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do we still need spice as a build option?  It would be nice to bring
>>> down the number of permutations out there and the SPICE simulator is really
>>> a first-class KiCad citizen nowadays.
>>>
>>> -S
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 4:04 PM Jon Evans <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Saving in the project file is fine, I just mean if you split out
>>>> NGSPICE_SIMULATOR_SETTINGS to a different file (not sim/ngspice.h) with no
>>>> dependencies on ngspice itself, the settings class can be built without
>>>> ngspice.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 6:57 PM Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I thought about that but in what context does a simulation make sense
>>>>> out side of a schematic or a netlist generated from a schematic?  I
>>>>> saved the ngspice simulator settings in the project file because that
>>>>> is
>>>>> the proper scope of the setting.  I really don't see a more logical
>>>>> place to save the setting.   I suppose I could split out the simulator
>>>>> settings code but it would be awkward at best.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/18/21 6:42 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
>>>>> > Wayne, I haven't checked this code carefully but I'd recommend
>>>>> building
>>>>> > the settings always, and moving the #ifdef to a different level (i.e.
>>>>> > make the settings not depend on ngspice)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > That way if the same settings files are shared between a build with
>>>>> > ngspice and a build without, they won't get thrown away.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 6:37 PM Wayne Stambaugh <
>>>>> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     My bad.  I forgot the simulator was a build option so I will
>>>>> have to
>>>>> >     #ifdef the offending settings code.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     - Wayne
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     On 3/18/21 6:02 PM, Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
>>>>> >     > I have disabled ngspice in cmake settings but in a recent
>>>>> commit by
>>>>> >     > Wayne #include <sim/ngspice.h>, which in turn includes
>>>>> >     > ngspice/sharedspice.h, was added to schematic.cpp which makes
>>>>> >     > compilation fail apparently because I don't have ngspice at
>>>>> all.
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > Eeli Kaikkonen
>>>>> >     >
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> Seth Hillbrand
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