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[Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>]

I would be fine with permanently enabling the ngspice integration. It has
historically not been that complicated to support, I mean build wise, and I
don't think it makes a lot of difference for rebuilds, which is where it
could be nice to disable some things, like scripting sometimes.

Speaking from experience on windows, linux and mac. At least I don't
remember any issues with it on newer releases of ngspice, and if a problem
crops of for some reason I am sure we can workaround it and Holger is very
responsive on requests from us.

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 04:14, Jon Evans <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I agree with Seth.  The longer a feature is part of KiCad, the more people
> will refer to it in forum posts, tutorials, etc.   This feature has now
> existed for plenty long enough for people to expect it.  If there are no
> packaging reasons to do otherwise, I support it being included in all
> builds.
>
> -Jon
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:49 PM Seth Hillbrand <seth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree that this is one area where we can improve the user experience.
>>
>> By first-class, I mean only that it is an integral part of KiCad that we
>> develop and support.  We are no longer in the testing phase where it would
>> make sense to have a conditional compilation.
>>
>> -Seth
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 4:51 PM Mark Roszko <mark.roszko@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You say it's first class but the spice gui needs alot of loving. The
>>> tool framework is also ducktaped poorly into it.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 7:14 PM Seth Hillbrand <seth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do we still need spice as a build option?  It would be nice to bring
>>>> down the number of permutations out there and the SPICE simulator is really
>>>> a first-class KiCad citizen nowadays.
>>>>
>>>> -S
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 4:04 PM Jon Evans <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Saving in the project file is fine, I just mean if you split out
>>>>> NGSPICE_SIMULATOR_SETTINGS to a different file (not sim/ngspice.h) with no
>>>>> dependencies on ngspice itself, the settings class can be built without
>>>>> ngspice.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 6:57 PM Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought about that but in what context does a simulation make sense
>>>>>> out side of a schematic or a netlist generated from a schematic?  I
>>>>>> saved the ngspice simulator settings in the project file because that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the proper scope of the setting.  I really don't see a more logical
>>>>>> place to save the setting.   I suppose I could split out the simulator
>>>>>> settings code but it would be awkward at best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/18/21 6:42 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
>>>>>> > Wayne, I haven't checked this code carefully but I'd recommend
>>>>>> building
>>>>>> > the settings always, and moving the #ifdef to a different level
>>>>>> (i.e.
>>>>>> > make the settings not depend on ngspice)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > That way if the same settings files are shared between a build with
>>>>>> > ngspice and a build without, they won't get thrown away.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 6:37 PM Wayne Stambaugh <
>>>>>> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >     My bad.  I forgot the simulator was a build option so I will
>>>>>> have to
>>>>>> >     #ifdef the offending settings code.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >     - Wayne
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >     On 3/18/21 6:02 PM, Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
>>>>>> >     > I have disabled ngspice in cmake settings but in a recent
>>>>>> commit by
>>>>>> >     > Wayne #include <sim/ngspice.h>, which in turn includes
>>>>>> >     > ngspice/sharedspice.h, was added to schematic.cpp which makes
>>>>>> >     > compilation fail apparently because I don't have ngspice at
>>>>>> all.
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > Eeli Kaikkonen
>>>>>> >     >
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