lubuntu-desktop team mailing list archive

[Mario Behling <mb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hello everyone,

it is fantastic to see people are joining and have lots of ideas. We
had IRC meet ups in order to have a less time-consuming way to talk to
each other. PCMan and others of the LXDE team took part in those
meetings. Besides that during recent months, we have met up among some
people in person for example in Singapore, Taiwan and Germany.

About applications - decisions are not final, but we had (and have) a
fair bit of discussion about it already.

I believe much depends on the goal we aim for. As I have been around
emerging countries during last years, I developed an idea about what
would be a nice thing to have in those countries. I believe lubuntu
can be a good thing for many people. We need to keep it lightweight,
but at the same time include essential features (that work for the
user group we aim for).

Internet bandwidth in countries like Afghanistan or in African
countries is often very low. So, we need to consider this. Some people
say "you can just download and install applications on top of a
minimum install", in regions with limited bandwidth this is not an
option.

In regards to mobile devices and architectures like ARM and Mips, we
also have to think that new netbooks and other devices are coming out.
They often have low resolutions. I recently saw a netbook with 800x420
screen resolution in China.

So, I think talking about the goal of the distribution is the first
thing to consider and the second step is to talk about single
applications. If an applications fulfills goals well, but at a later
point another application fulfills our goals better, we can switch.

The question now: What is the goal of lubuntu for you? Do you suggest
something else?

All the best,

Mario


On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng<elfgoh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Just in case, there was any miscommunication, the list just contain possible
> candidates for the application category. For instance, in the web browser
> category, we have midori, epiphany, firefox, kazhakase and some others. But
> we will only choose one, and based on the meetings, we have chosen Firefox
> for functionality and usability reasons. Unfortunately, the meeting members
> haven't gotten around to updating the decision on the choice of
> applications. It's pretty much buried in the logs now AFAIK.
>
> Maybe Mario can give some input as to how we should progress with regards to
> the decision on applications?
>
> From: Ed Hewitt <edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:54:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &
> Slow)
>
> I too have the same opinion and in the same situation as Glen. I have missed
> out on the meetings, since only being involved in Lubuntu since yesterday. I
> have looked at the applications list and there is too many, Lubuntu could
> end up too heavy. This is one of the reasons I sent my first email off in
> the mailing lists.
>
> 2009/7/1 Glen Bizeau <gbizeau@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Wow,
>>
>> I just went through the list if apps, Thats a lot of stuff...
>>
>> Personally, I think it should be lighter than this, but I guess thats
>> what I get for missing the IRC meeting :)
>>
>> Will we have a chance to vote on these things? or do the IRC meetings
>> denote final say?
>>
>> Glen
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng<elfgoh@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > Good to see the sudden spike in mailing list activity. I definitely need
>> > time to follow the threads.
>> >
>> > For those unaware, we have had 3 IRC meetings to discuss the goals and
>> > applications of Lubuntu. The logs are at
>> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings. The objective of the
>> > meeting
>> > was to narrow down the list of applications, and also to decide the
>> > goals of
>> > Lubuntu I urge patience to go through the logs to understand what has
>> > transpired so far.
>> >
>> > I believe the goals of Lubuntu that was decided during that meeting is
>> > that
>> > Lubuntu will be a lightweight distro with appropriate functionality and
>> > usability. (Yes, I know that functionality and usability have subjective
>> > meaning).
>> >
>> > The list of applications at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
>> > are
>> > just a list of applications we will choose for inclusion. Generally,
>> > only
>> > one will be included from each application category.
>> >
>> > At the meeting, members have decided to include Firefox, OpenOffice.org,
>> > VLC
>> > I am not sure if there will be changes following the discussion on the
>> > mailing list. Perhaps this can be discussed in the next IRC meeting?
>> >
>> > From: Ed Hewitt <edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:13:47 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy
>> > &
>> > Slow)
>> >
>> > I would say LXDE is lighter than Xfce, the LXDE developers seem to think
>> > so.
>> > I think 64mb Minimum is enough.
>> >
>> > 2009/6/30 Andrew Woodhead <andrew.woodhead666@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>
>> >> http://wiki.xfce.org/minimum_requirements
>> >>
>> >> May help to guide
>> >>
>> >> I'd say 300Mhz CPU + 192Mb RAM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, jon york <jr_jr5@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Good point ed,
>> >>>
>> >>> we are forgetting our requirements, and getting head of ourselves.
>> >>>
>> >>> so now that we are mostly agreed on being small and lightweight, what
>> >>> will be the minimum and recommended specs?
>> >>>
>> >>> Jon York
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ________________________________
>> >>> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:07:11 +0100
>> >>> From: edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> To: lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &
>> >>> Slow)
>> >>>
>> >>> I believe its a bad idea having different versions of Lubuntu, having
>> >>> different meta packages of Lubuntu is not what lubutnu needs. Its all
>> >>> about
>> >>> lightweight distro. The Ubuntu guidelines requires the distro to have
>> >>> one
>> >>> build, lubuntu-desktop.
>> >>>
>> >>> All we need to do is make sure that this single meta package is
>> >>> bundled
>> >>> with a few lightweight apps for the end user to require out of the box
>> >>> which
>> >>> works well with the LXDE environment.
>> >>>