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[Ed Hewitt <edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I agree with mario, I have always believed that Lubuntu needs to come with
some important applications for the end user to be able to use "out of the
box". I believe the goal is to have a distro which can run on very low
requirements which has a great usability with the help of carefully selected
applications for their usefulness and being light.

2009/7/1 Mario Behling <mb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

> Hello everyone,
>
> it is fantastic to see people are joining and have lots of ideas. We
> had IRC meet ups in order to have a less time-consuming way to talk to
> each other. PCMan and others of the LXDE team took part in those
> meetings. Besides that during recent months, we have met up among some
> people in person for example in Singapore, Taiwan and Germany.
>
> About applications - decisions are not final, but we had (and have) a
> fair bit of discussion about it already.
>
> I believe much depends on the goal we aim for. As I have been around
> emerging countries during last years, I developed an idea about what
> would be a nice thing to have in those countries. I believe lubuntu
> can be a good thing for many people. We need to keep it lightweight,
> but at the same time include essential features (that work for the
> user group we aim for).
>
> Internet bandwidth in countries like Afghanistan or in African
> countries is often very low. So, we need to consider this. Some people
> say "you can just download and install applications on top of a
> minimum install", in regions with limited bandwidth this is not an
> option.
>
> In regards to mobile devices and architectures like ARM and Mips, we
> also have to think that new netbooks and other devices are coming out.
> They often have low resolutions. I recently saw a netbook with 800x420
> screen resolution in China.
>
> So, I think talking about the goal of the distribution is the first
> thing to consider and the second step is to talk about single
> applications. If an applications fulfills goals well, but at a later
> point another application fulfills our goals better, we can switch.
>
> The question now: What is the goal of lubuntu for you? Do you suggest
> something else?
>
> All the best,
>
> Mario
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng<elfgoh@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > Just in case, there was any miscommunication, the list just contain
> possible
> > candidates for the application category. For instance, in the web browser
> > category, we have midori, epiphany, firefox, kazhakase and some others.
> But
> > we will only choose one, and based on the meetings, we have chosen
> Firefox
> > for functionality and usability reasons. Unfortunately, the meeting
> members
> > haven't gotten around to updating the decision on the choice of
> > applications. It's pretty much buried in the logs now AFAIK.
> >
> > Maybe Mario can give some input as to how we should progress with regards
> to
> > the decision on applications?
> >
> > From: Ed Hewitt <edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:54:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &
> > Slow)
> >
> > I too have the same opinion and in the same situation as Glen. I have
> missed
> > out on the meetings, since only being involved in Lubuntu since
> yesterday. I
> > have looked at the applications list and there is too many, Lubuntu could
> > end up too heavy. This is one of the reasons I sent my first email off in
> > the mailing lists.
> >
> > 2009/7/1 Glen Bizeau <gbizeau@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >> Wow,
> >>
> >> I just went through the list if apps, Thats a lot of stuff...
> >>
> >> Personally, I think it should be lighter than this, but I guess thats
> >> what I get for missing the IRC meeting :)
> >>
> >> Will we have a chance to vote on these things? or do the IRC meetings
> >> denote final say?
> >>
> >> Glen
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng<elfgoh@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi everyone,
> >> >
> >> > Good to see the sudden spike in mailing list activity. I definitely
> need
> >> > time to follow the threads.
> >> >
> >> > For those unaware, we have had 3 IRC meetings to discuss the goals and
> >> > applications of Lubuntu. The logs are at
> >> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings. The objective of the
> >> > meeting
> >> > was to narrow down the list of applications, and also to decide the
> >> > goals of
> >> > Lubuntu I urge patience to go through the logs to understand what has
> >> > transpired so far.
> >> >
> >> > I believe the goals of Lubuntu that was decided during that meeting is
> >> > that
> >> > Lubuntu will be a lightweight distro with appropriate functionality
> and
> >> > usability. (Yes, I know that functionality and usability have
> subjective
> >> > meaning).
> >> >
> >> > The list of applications at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
> >> > are
> >> > just a list of applications we will choose for inclusion. Generally,
> >> > only
> >> > one will be included from each application category.
> >> >
> >> > At the meeting, members have decided to include Firefox,
> OpenOffice.org,
> >> > VLC
> >> > I am not sure if there will be changes following the discussion on the
> >> > mailing list. Perhaps this can be discussed in the next IRC meeting?
> >> >
> >> > From: Ed Hewitt <edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:13:47 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu
> (Heavy
> >> > &
> >> > Slow)
> >> >
> >> > I would say LXDE is lighter than Xfce, the LXDE developers seem to
> think
> >> > so.
> >> > I think 64mb Minimum is enough.
> >> >
> >> > 2009/6/30 Andrew Woodhead <andrew.woodhead666@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://wiki.xfce.org/minimum_requirements
> >> >>
> >> >> May help to guide
> >> >>
> >> >> I'd say 300Mhz CPU + 192Mb RAM
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, jon york <jr_jr5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Good point ed,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> we are forgetting our requirements, and getting head of ourselves.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> so now that we are mostly agreed on being small and lightweight,
> what
> >> >>> will be the minimum and recommended specs?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Jon York
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ________________________________
> >> >>> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:07:11 +0100
> >> >>> From: edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>> To: lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>> Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy
> &
> >> >>> Slow)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I believe its a bad idea having different versions of Lubuntu,
> having
> >> >>> different meta packages of Lubuntu is not what lubutnu needs. Its
> all
> >> >>> about
> >> >>> lightweight distro. The Ubuntu guidelines requires the distro to
> have
> >> >>> one
> >> >>> build, lubuntu-desktop.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> All we need to do is make sure that this single meta package is
> >> >>> bundled
> >> >>> with a few lightweight apps for the end user to require out of the
> box
> >> >>> which
> >> >>> works well with the LXDE environment.
> >> >>>
>
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