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[Phillip Whiteside <phillw@xxxxxxxxxx>]

hi Goh,

yes, there is, it is *not* a dell issue, as is clearly explained, also the
work around for a bug that one of the devs
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/496435/comments/6  says
is not fully tested, the consensus of those who are dealing with problems
over at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153 is still to use
still to use  "dpkg-reconfigure" and not apt-get etc.

I'm awaiting the guy who writes up a lot of documentation that we mere
mortals use to refer to in order to have a chat with him, I have a strong
sense that he will also shrug his shoulders and say that the grub team have
messed up (again) and to continue to use the dpkg-reconfigure option. I
recall that grub2 came out and totally broke RAID support. They have been
playing catch up ever since. Given the chance, I'd use burg as it is more
pro-active and re-active to problems.

I really do not know why we are arguing over this? Grub 2 can cause major
problems when there is more than one hard disk involved - that is beyond
dispute. In 9.10 it cannot support RAID, with 10.04 we got a newer version
that gave some RAID support, but they would not back port it, when 10.04
came out it had a big fall out with Win7. - that is still a 'work around'.

Such a basic part of *nix should not need 'work-arounds', n00bs will not
that there is one - It must be sorted out.

Should not we be trying to help the OP, it is quite evident there is a
problem and people get annoyed over having their computer in a non booting
mode? Regardless of any sleek looking graphics, let us not fall into the
trap that Microsoft did with Service Pack 2 for XP. When we do tempt people
over to *nix, if their first introduction to it is a broken system they will
not only never come back, they will tell everyone that *nix breaks
computers. That is not acceptable, we are in the hands of the Grub people -
so people should complain there and we should ensure that people asking why
lubuntu does not work in such situations are clearly told that it is not a
fault of lubuntu.

Regards,

Phill.

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Goh Lip <g.lip@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:12:35 +0100
> Phillip Whiteside <phillw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Goh,
> >
> > I'm not quite sure how to explain this to you?
> >
> > Rule #1 You install *buntu it works, if it does not work it does not
> > break anything.
> >
> > At present it can totally break things. There is no point arguing
> > over it, just go see the forum area for people for whom it has broken
> > there is no point saying that it is does not, as there are a lot of
> > people saying that it does.
> >
> > The problems with grub2 and Win7 were bad enough under the 'older'
> > grub2. You do not seem to have read through that thread fully
> >
> > some links to read,
>
> Phillip, have read your links above. To add, there are some problems
> not in your links related to Dell's recovery system, raid, lvm and
> others.......but not to denigrate your specific issue which is the
> failure to install by "install grub-pc" and you have found
> success by "sudo apt-get install grub-pc";  yes, you're right, I cannot
> see the point arguing that it should just work with "install grub-pc"
> and not just "sudo apt-get install grub-pc". You do not seem to have
> read how to use 'sudo' and 'apt-get' rather than understanding how to
> install grub.
>
> Are there any more specific issues with grub you like to bring up
> rather than saying I haven't read fully?
>
> Goh Lip
>
>
>
>
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