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[Andrew Woodhead <andrew.woodhead666@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I'd just like to add one thing that EVERYBODY is forgettin

GRUB IS NOT THE *ONLY* BOOTLOADER!!!!

Try LILO, It is a perfectly fine bootloader, or am I just thinking
outside the box here and being too radical. Just because Grub is default
in Ubuntu doesn't mean it is the best solution. You could also try BURG

-Andy



On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 08:33 +0100, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
> hi Goh,
> 
> 
> yes, there is, it is not a dell issue, as is clearly explained, also
> the work around for a bug that one of the
> devs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/496435/comments/6  says is not fully tested, the consensus of those who are dealing with problems over at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153 is still to use still to use  "dpkg-reconfigure" and not apt-get etc.
> 
> 
> I'm awaiting the guy who writes up a lot of documentation that we mere
> mortals use to refer to in order to have a chat with him, I have a
> strong sense that he will also shrug his shoulders and say that the
> grub team have messed up (again) and to continue to use the
> dpkg-reconfigure option. I recall that grub2 came out and totally
> broke RAID support. They have been playing catch up ever since. Given
> the chance, I'd use burg as it is more pro-active and re-active to
> problems.
> 
> 
> I really do not know why we are arguing over this? Grub 2 can cause
> major problems when there is more than one hard disk involved - that
> is beyond dispute. In 9.10 it cannot support RAID, with 10.04 we got a
> newer version that gave some RAID support, but they would not back
> port it, when 10.04 came out it had a big fall out with Win7. - that
> is still a 'work around'. 
> 
> 
> Such a basic part of *nix should not need 'work-arounds', n00bs will
> not that there is one - It must be sorted out.
> 
> 
> Should not we be trying to help the OP, it is quite evident there is a
> problem and people get annoyed over having their computer in a non
> booting mode? Regardless of any sleek looking graphics, let us not
> fall into the trap that Microsoft did with Service Pack 2 for XP. When
> we do tempt people over to *nix, if their first introduction to it is
> a broken system they will not only never come back, they will tell
> everyone that *nix breaks computers. That is not acceptable, we are in
> the hands of the Grub people - so people should complain there and we
> should ensure that people asking why lubuntu does not work in such
> situations are clearly told that it is not a fault of lubuntu.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Phill.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Goh Lip <g.lip@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>         On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:12:35 +0100
>         Phillip Whiteside <phillw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>         
>         
>         > Goh,
>         >
>         > I'm not quite sure how to explain this to you?
>         >
>         > Rule #1 You install *buntu it works, if it does not work it
>         does not
>         > break anything.
>         >
>         > At present it can totally break things. There is no point
>         arguing
>         > over it, just go see the forum area for people for whom it
>         has broken
>         > there is no point saying that it is does not, as there are a
>         lot of
>         > people saying that it does.
>         >
>         > The problems with grub2 and Win7 were bad enough under the
>         'older'
>         > grub2. You do not seem to have read through that thread
>         fully
>         >
>         > some links to read,
>         
>         
>         Phillip, have read your links above. To add, there are some
>         problems
>         not in your links related to Dell's recovery system, raid, lvm
>         and
>         others.......but not to denigrate your specific issue which is
>         the
>         failure to install by "install grub-pc" and you have found
>         success by "sudo apt-get install grub-pc";  yes, you're right,
>         I cannot
>         see the point arguing that it should just work with "install
>         grub-pc"
>         and not just "sudo apt-get install grub-pc". You do not seem
>         to have
>         read how to use 'sudo' and 'apt-get' rather than understanding
>         how to
>         install grub.
>         
>         Are there any more specific issues with grub you like to bring
>         up
>         rather than saying I haven't read fully?
>         
>         
>         Goh Lip
>         
>         
>         
>         
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