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[Goh Lip <g.lip@xxxxxxx>]

On 06/27/2010 03:33 PM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
> hi Goh,
>
> yes, there is, it is *not* a dell issue, as is clearly explained, also
> the work around for a bug that one of the devs
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/496435/comments/6  says
> is not fully tested, the consensus of those who are dealing with
> problems over at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153 is
> still to use still to use "dpkg-reconfigure" and not apt-get etc.

First, alpha versions are not for Newbies, these are for people who are 
helping to test and report bugs. Problems with alpha's are to be 
expected. People are always reminded non-final releases are not meant 
for production and tend to break. So if someone complains his alpha 
version is buggy and the developers are not doing their job, you know 
where they should be told to go.


> I'm awaiting the guy who writes up a lot of documentation that we mere
> mortals use to refer to in order to have a chat with him, I have a
> strong sense that he will also shrug his shoulders and say that the grub
> team have messed up (again) and to continue to use the dpkg-reconfigure
> option. I recall that grub2 came out and totally broke RAID support.
> They have been playing catch up ever since. Given the chance, I'd use
> burg as it is more pro-active and re-active to problems.


> I really do not know why we are arguing over this? Grub 2 can cause
> major problems when there is more than one hard disk involved - that is
> beyond dispute. In 9.10 it cannot support RAID, with 10.04 we got a
> newer version that gave some RAID support, but they would not back port
> it, when 10.04 came out it had a big fall out with Win7. - that is still
> a 'work around'.

Raid/LVM issues are settled as of...
http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID
and can't you do a simple "grub-install --root-directory=....." (with 
sudo of course) instead as 'backport'?

> Such a basic part of *nix should not need 'work-arounds', n00bs will not
> that there is one - It must be sorted out.
>
> Should not we be trying to help the OP, it is quite evident there is a
> problem and people get annoyed over having their computer in a non
> booting mode? Regardless of any sleek looking graphics, let us not fall
> into the trap that Microsoft did with Service Pack 2 for XP. When we do
> tempt people over to *nix, if their first introduction to it is a broken
> system they will not only never come back, they will tell everyone that
> *nix breaks computers. That is not acceptable, we are in the hands of
> the Grub people - so people should complain there and we should ensure
> that people asking why lubuntu does not work in such situations are
> clearly told that it is not a fault of lubuntu.

Yes, we should always try to help anyone who needs help. Even with 
people on maverick alpha #one#. (That's where it's at, my goodness). But 
to have a problem and to lash out is not acceptable, even with final 
released versions.


Phillip, if you are the 'philinux' at 
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153  you should be in a 
position to understand this more than others. I am surprised that this 
needs even be mentioned.
If you are not, then I reiterate some basic points....

o Alpha versions are not meant for production, and tend to break. It is 
*not* recommended for 'normal' use but experienced users are welcome to 
*test* and report any bugs. Bear in mind it may render the whole system 
unusable and a complete reinstall may be necessary.

o A basic code of conduct on *ubuntu's mailing list can be found at
http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists
http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
I suggest a reread and adherence to it.

o This mailing list is to ask for help and to provide it. Not to rant, 
troll or ...

Phillip, or Quynh, again, is there any specific grub issue affecting you 
that you want addressed? I may not have all the answers and perhaps a 
bug report may indeed needed be filed, but what is it that needs to be 
brought up?

Goh Lip