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Re: changes to release cycle.
Hi Ali,
Jono posted up that he'd had a bad day.... I sent him that link asking for
him to comment.. All I got back was "I'm not going to talk to you if you
continue to be rude."..
As to asking someone for a YES / NO answer as to if 13.04 will happen, I
still struggle to see how I was 'rude'.
Regards,
Phill.
On 6 March 2013 23:14, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Well, at least, we both know that:
>
> ...I have to be honest, there isn’t an Ubuntu community any more. There's
>> a Canonical community, an ubuntu-users gaggle and maybe an enthusiasts
>> posse. But no community that makes decisions, builds a consensus, advocates
>> or educates. It’s dead now, it’s been that way for a while.
>
> *
> *
> *IS TRUE :D*
> *
> *
> IMHO, since the first day Canonical released Unity, I said Bye-Bye to
> Ubuntu and at that point I turned 100% to Lubuntu (I was already in love
> with Lubuntu) and at that day, I felt they are going to the wrong direction.
>
> If you go back in time, one year back, you will see how things had changed
> big time. Ubuntu Forums, The so called community, etc etc.
> I'm one of those who don't feel home when I talk about Ubuntu. I just feel
> home when I talk about Lubuntu because it is a REAL Community and I don't
> need to prove it.
>
> Anyway, let's hope someone will give them the wake-up call before it is
> TOO LATE!
>
> :)
> *
> *
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:27 AM, Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Holy SH1T....
>>
>> are we facing a meltdown?
>>
>>
>> http://www.muktware.com/5343/kubuntu-opens-doors-disappointed-ubuntu-community?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+muktware%2Ffeeds+%28Muktware+Feeds%29
>>
>> Those are not words / comments I'd expect to read.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>> On 6 March 2013 20:44, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> And for those who don't have facebook and can't read the whole text as
>>> there is "See More" link, here is the whole text.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Whilst
>>> the UDS for what happens with rolling releases, potential of dropping 13.04
>>> etc. Would it be out of order for the Ubuntu Community Manager to actually
>>> give us an update of what is happening? I love BBQ ribs like the next
>>> person, but I have community teams asking WTF is going on. To them, I have
>>> no answer. To you I ask.
>>> Regards,
>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside>
>>> 19 hours ago<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?comment_id=27545163&offset=0&total_comments=17>
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>>> Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> woah!
>>> relax a little. We literally just started discussing it this week and it is
>>> just a proposal, nothing is confirmed or cast in stone - there is a lot of
>>> discussion that needs to happen before we make any potential changes along
>>> those lines. Patience is your friend.
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>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono
>>> Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> whilst it has just been
>>> begun to be discussed, the 'news' and general chat areas have been
>>> squealing with the "lets's make some breaking news".. As a tester, and a
>>> Team Leader of testers... May I suggest that when the un-official news
>>> channels are blazing with FUDD, and there is no 'official' news coming out,
>>> that people who care start to feel like mushrooms... fed bull-shit and kept
>>> in the dark.
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>>> Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> I
>>> don't understand what you mean by "let's make some breaking news". It is
>>> pretty simple: an idea for a release management change was proposed to
>>> ubuntu-devel, and now we need to have a detailed, focused, and
>>> comprehensive discussion about whether it makes sense. These kinds
>>> of big changes take time to discuss and get right. If people are chomping
>>> at the bit for an answer, they are just going to need to wait a little
>>> until we reach a conclusion...this happens with every large proposed change
>>> in our community.
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>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Have a
>>> read of
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-March/thread.html and
>>> then yesterdays meeting. All I ask is a decision? I have people asking and
>>> I cannot give answers. It gets even worse if you go to Feb...
>>> *The ubuntu-devel March 2013 Archive by thread<http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ubuntu.com%2Farchives%2Fubuntu-devel%2F2013-March%2Fthread.html&h=wAQFgxzS7AQE1fdqygJ9e1adIfWptL7veJmlqA4gqVDLUZA&s=1>
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>>> lists.ubuntu.com
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>>> Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> dude,
>>> how many times do I have to say this - there will be some time before we
>>> can make a final decision - you don't make changes like this lightly. If
>>> people are asking you for a decision, tell 'em to slow their roll a little
>>> until the discussion has run it's course.
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>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono
>>> Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> and has anyone from
>>> canonical made that call?
>>> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21683/community-1303-rolling-release/ says
>>> not.
>>> <http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fsummit.ubuntu.com%2Fuds-1303%2Fmeeting%2F21683%2Fcommunity-1303-rolling-release%2F&h=DAQG8uYaLAQHoG8lGtXRs0X2AyHSOJ1lCxfDlZtwkxSwiWA&s=1>
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>>> *
>>> summit.ubuntu.com
>>> It has been proposed that Ubuntu adopt a rolling release model + LTS
>>> instead of a 6-monthly release cadence. This session is to continue
>>> the discussion started on @ubuntu-devel:https://lists.ubuntu.com/
>>> archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-February/036537.html<http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ubuntu.com%2Farchives%2Fubuntu-devel%2F2013-February%2F036537.html&h=DAQG8uYaLAQGqwUundCVZh3m4TugVHcBu0S8H1UDtdIDSSg&s=1> Discuss
>>> the pros, cons, and consequences of such...
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>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono
>>> Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> We don;t. at this time
>>> even know if there will be a 13.04 release. I do think it is time to "get a
>>> grip" and make decisions.
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>>> Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> you
>>> are obviously not reading what I am writing here - I am going to say this
>>> one...last...time - no decision has been made yet because the discussion
>>> has not finished yet, we are just at the beginning. You continually keep
>>> asking the same question and I keep giving you the same
>>> answer...wait until the community has completed the discussion and then a
>>> decision and any appropriate changes will be introduced. I am not going to
>>> repeat myself again.
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>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono
>>> Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> and you are obviously not
>>> reading the public logs that others are reading... A UDS session does hold
>>> a lot of sway for news when the teams are discussing. It is for such a
>>> simple thing that all the uncertainty is following. Please read the log of
>>> the meeting and then tell me how anyone following it would have the
>>> faintest idea as to how things for release are going to happen?
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>>> Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> watch
>>> the video - I was *in* that meeting. As I said, I am not going to continue
>>> on this circular discussion, refer to my previous comments.
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>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono
>>> Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> and when will you give
>>> the final decision that Canonical make?
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>>> Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> when
>>> the decision is made, hopefully in the next month or so.
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>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono
>>> Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> which, if you appreciate,
>>> does not help me, or other team leaders, for quality / testing side to have
>>> things done. People will just walk away if they feel their work is is in
>>> vain. I'm sorry to nag, but I spent a lot of time getting the testing team
>>> together & your answer is simply not good enough for me to keep them on
>>> board.
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>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> It is
>>> not too hard... will 13.04 happen?
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>>> Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> well,
>>> sorry you are dissatisfied, but it is what it is - significant changes in
>>> community development and release processes take time to discuss and
>>> finalize as a community. You will just have to wait. And with this, I am
>>> going to wrap up this discussion. Take care!
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>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> and you.
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>> as you will well know, things are changing. As a part of if 13.04 will
>>>> actually happen I've been trying to find out as I don't want you guys to
>>>> waste your valuable time testing stuff that will not be released. This came
>>>> to head after the UDS session as to what will happen. Below is my log with
>>>> jono from whom I tried to get a definitive answer for the testing teams, it
>>>> did not go well....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> - Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Whilst
>>>>> the UDS for what happens with rolling releases, potential of dropping 13.04
>>>>> etc. Would it be out of order for the Ubuntu Community Manager to actually
>>>>> give us an update of what is happening? I love BBQ ribs like the next
>>>>> person, but I have community teams asking WTF is going on. To them, I have
>>>>> no answer. To you I ask.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside>
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>>>>> Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> woah!
>>>>> relax a little. We literally just started discussing it this week and it is
>>>>> just a proposal, nothing is confirmed or cast in stone - there is a lot of
>>>>> discussion that needs to happen before we make any potential changes along
>>>>> those lines. Patience is your friend.
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>>>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono
>>>>> Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> whilst it has just been
>>>>> begun to be discussed, the 'news' and general chat areas have been
>>>>> squealing with the "lets's make some breaking news".. As a tester, and a
>>>>> Team Leader of testers... May I suggest that when the un-official news
>>>>> channels are blazing with FUDD, and there is no 'official' news coming out,
>>>>> that people who care start to feel like mushrooms... fed bull-shit and kept
>>>>> in the dark.
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>>>>> Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> I
>>>>> don't understand what you mean by "let's make some breaking news". It is
>>>>> pretty simple: an idea for a release management change was proposed to
>>>>> ubuntu-devel, and now we need to have a detailed, focused, and
>>>>> comprehensive discussion ab...See More<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
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>>>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Have a
>>>>> read of
>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-March/thread.html
>>>>>
>>>>> and then yesterdays meeting. All I ask is a decision? I have
>>>>> people asking and I cannot give answers. It gets even worse if you go to
>>>>> Feb...
>>>>> *The ubuntu-devel March 2013 Archive by thread<https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-March/thread.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>> lists.ubuntu.com
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>>>>> Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<http://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> dude,
>>>>> how many times do I have to say this - there will be some time before we
>>>>> can make a final decision - you don't make changes like this lightly. If
>>>>> people are asking you for a decision, tell 'em to slow their roll a little
>>>>> until the discussion has run it's course.
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>>>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono
>>>>> Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> and has anyone from
>>>>> canonical made that call?
>>>>> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21683/community-1303-rolling-release/
>>>>>
>>>>> says not.
>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fsummit.ubuntu.com%2Fuds-1303%2Fmeeting%2F21683%2Fcommunity-1303-rolling-release%2F&h=rAQF_lZdvAQExtq1vMtSwPv-Cx1_VDsNEWZ7qetQ4zi2gFA&s=1>
>>>>> *Should Ubuntu adopt a monthly cadence/rolling release?<http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21683/community-1303-rolling-release/>
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>> summit.ubuntu.com
>>>>> It has been proposed that Ubuntu adopt a rolling release model +
>>>>> LTS instead of ...See more
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>>>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono
>>>>> Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> We don;t. at this time
>>>>> even know if there will be a 13.04 release. I do think it is time to "get a
>>>>> grip" and make decisions.
>>>>> 13 minutes ago<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?comment_id=27546380&offset=0&total_comments=8>
>>>>> · Like<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
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>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
>>>>> Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<http://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> you
>>>>> are obviously not reading what I am writing here - I am going to say this
>>>>> one...last...time - no decision has been made yet because the discussion
>>>>> has not finished yet, we are just at the beginning. You continually keep
>>>>> asking the s...See More<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
>>>>> 11 minutes ago<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?comment_id=27546392&offset=0&total_comments=9>
>>>>> · Like<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
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>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
>>>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono
>>>>> Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> and you are obviously
>>>>> not reading the public logs that others are reading... A UDS session does
>>>>> hold a lot of sway for news when the teams are discussing. It is for such a
>>>>> simple thing that all the uncertainty is following. Please read the log of
>>>>> the meeting and then tell me how anyone following it would have the
>>>>> faintest idea as to how things for release are going to happen?
>>>>> 8 minutes ago<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?comment_id=27546421&offset=0&total_comments=10>
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>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
>>>>> Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<http://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> watch
>>>>> the video - I was *in* that meeting. As I said, I am not going to continue
>>>>> on this circular discussion, refer to my previous comments.
>>>>> 7 minutes ago<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?comment_id=27546430&offset=0&total_comments=11>
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>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
>>>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono
>>>>> Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> and when will you give
>>>>> the final decision that Canonical make?
>>>>> 6 minutes ago<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?comment_id=27546433&offset=0&total_comments=12>
>>>>> · Like<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<http://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> when
>>>>> the decision is made, hopefully in the next month or so.
>>>>> 5 minutes ago<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?comment_id=27546439&offset=0&total_comments=13>
>>>>> · Like<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
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>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
>>>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono
>>>>> Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> which, if you
>>>>> appreciate, does not help me, or other team leaders, for quality / testing
>>>>> side to have things done. People will just walk away if they feel their
>>>>> work is is in vain. I'm sorry to nag, but I spent a lot of time getting the
>>>>> testing team together & your answer is simply not good enough for me to
>>>>> keep them on board.
>>>>> 2 minutes ago<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?comment_id=27546463&offset=0&total_comments=14>
>>>>> · Like<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
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>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
>>>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> It is
>>>>> not too hard... will 13.04 happen?
>>>>> about a minute ago<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?comment_id=27546467&offset=0&total_comments=15>
>>>>> · Like<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
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>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
>>>>> Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<http://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> well,
>>>>> sorry you are dissatisfied, but it is what it is - significant changes in
>>>>> community development and release processes take time to discuss and
>>>>> finalize as a community. You will just have to wait. And with this, I am
>>>>> going to wrap up this discussion. Take care!
>>>>> about a minute ago<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?comment_id=27546472&offset=0&total_comments=16>
>>>>> · Like<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
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>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
>>>>> Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> and
>>>>> you.
>>>>> A few seconds ago<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?comment_id=27546476&offset=0&total_comments=17>
>>>>> · Like<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon/posts/10151532662746458?notif_t=comment_mention#>
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Well, I'm going to cease testing and await the announcement, QA is no
>>>> longer a part of the discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Phill.
>>>>
>>>>
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