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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

[replying at the end]
Den 2015-03-04 18:11, Brendan Perrine skrev:
> On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 08:57:41 -0800
> Walter Lapchynski <wxl@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> I'd say if Ubuntu in general considers it an edge case, it probably is.
>>
>> @wxl
>> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA
>> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact
>> Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader
>> On Mar 4, 2015 8:54 AM, "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi again,
>>>
>>> I want to add:
>>>
>>> 1. I really think we should have a test-case for 'Encrypted LVM'
>>>
>>> 2. I can think of situations, when 'Encrypted home' is a better
>>> alternative. We can add such a test-case, if the Lubuntu users think it
>>> is important.
>>>
>>> As it is now, these two test-cases would be independent, because it does
>>> no longer work with them in combination. If it is important, we can ask
>>> the developers to fix the bug(s) so that the original alternate
>>> test-case works again.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>>
>>> Den 2015-03-04 17:24, Nio Wiklund skrev:
>>>> Hi Walter,
>>>>
>>>> Encrypted LVM is *the* test-case in all other Ubuntu flavours including
>>>> Ubuntu server. I really think we should test it, not only LVM.
>>>> 'Encrypted disk' is implemented via LVM.
>>>>
>>>> Lubuntu is a special case with 'encrypted LVM', and inside it 'encrypted
>>>> home'. What I suggest is to remove 'encrypted home' from the test-case.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Nio
>>>>
>>>> Den 2015-03-04 17:15, Walter Lapchynski skrev:
>>>>> I agree there's no reason to wait for desktop to implement the change to
>>>>> alternate.  I do, however want to emphasize that encryption is more
>>>>> valuable to the average user than LVM.  Maybe we should separate these
>>>>> testcases for now? Then at some point in the future, we could create a
>>>>> combined one.  Or is encrypted LVM a really unique case?
>>>>>
>>>>> @wxl
>>>>> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA
>>>>> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact
>>>>> Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 4, 2015 8:05 AM, "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Den 2015-03-04 14:38, Lars Noodén skrev:
>>>>>     > On 04.03.2015 14:50, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>>>>     >> Hi Walter, Lars, Phill and all other Lubuntu users
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> I think we have a working alternative, that should be rather
>>> easy to
>>>>>     >> implement for the Alternate Install (Encryption) test-cases (for
>>> the
>>>>>     >> i386 as well as the amd64 iso files).
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> @ Walter and Lars: Can we agree to modify the (alternate)
>>> test-cases?
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> @ Lars: ... and when agreed, will you edit the alternate
>>> test-cases?
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> @ Walter and Lars: The next step will be to design corresponding
>>>>>     >> test-cases for the Lubuntu desktop iso files.
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     > Hi,
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     > I can try modifying the Alternate encryption case, if someone can
>>>>>     remind
>>>>>     > me of the URL to the right guide to do that, when the time
>>> comes.  The
>>>>>     > hard part is not the HTML but dealing with bazaar and then
>>>>>     following the
>>>>>     > right procedure for a pull.  Would that be for 15.04 or for 15.10?
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     >
>>>>>
>>> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/image/
>>>>>     <
>>> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/image/
>>>>
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     > For 16.04, it would be best if the installers handled encryption
>>>>>     > properly so that workarounds like dropping to the shell are not
>>> needed
>>>>>     > for full disk encryption.
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     >> ...
>>>>>     >> @ everybody:
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> Skipping 'encrypted home inside encrypted disk with LVM' makes
>>> things
>>>>>     >> much easier to get working. ...
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     > Encrypted home is probably important if there are multiple users
>>>>>     or one
>>>>>     > user with multiple roles on the machine.  For the full hard disk
>>>>>     > encryption I see a main use-case as being work laptops that
>>> travel and
>>>>>     > thus at risk of being lost or stolen.
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     > Regards,
>>>>>     > /Lars
>>>>>     >
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hi Lars,
>>>>>
>>>>>     1. I hope we can agree very soon about the alternate encryption
>>>>>     test-cases, and do it for 15.04, but I can fully understand, that
>>> Walter
>>>>>     or some other important persons may want to wait and think twice
>>> before
>>>>>     changing these test-cases.
>>>>>
>>>>>     2. What I suggested today does not imply any dropping to a shell.
>>>>>     Without encrypted home the alternate test-cases will be smooth. But
>>> I'm
>>>>>     waiting for someone (you, Lars?) to verify my test results.
>>>>>
>>>>>     3. I agree that 'Encrypted home' is important if there are multiple
>>>>>     users or one user with multiple roles on the machine. But must it be
>>>>>     combined with encrypted disk and LVM?
>>>>>
>>>>>     4. I think creating the corresponding test-cases for the desktop
>>>>>     installer needs more time, but modifying the alternate test-cases
>>> need
>>>>>     not wait for the desktop ones to be ready for publishing.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Best regards
>>>>>     Nio
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
> I also conisder that manual partitioning would be more important as I would want to employ that in production as a user more often than encryption because I don't want to lose my own data if I lose the key. 
> 
Hi Brendan,

I think both manual partitioning and encryption are important. We have a
manual partitioning test-case for the Lubuntu desktop installers. I
think both are worthwhile.

If I have to rank the test-cases and skip the least valuable one, I
would skip 'install alongside'. Users at the Ubuntu Forums have big
problems because of that option (overwriting Windows), and several
people (including the installer guru Oldfred) warn about it. The worst
bugs are squashed now, but in order to control installations for dual
booting, we really need the manual method alias 'Something else'.

On the other hand, it is important that 'install alongside' works as
well as possible, because it will affect beginners. So it is important
that it is tested too.

Best regards
Nio