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[Istimsak Abdulbasir <saqman2060@xxxxxxxxx>]

I agree that the "install alongside" option can be replaced by manual
partitioning. That is of course it is a method that a beginner to Linux
would understand. However, the risk of overwriting something would be to
high. We should keep the first option and test it not that it works but for
areas that can be improved.

As for manual partition testing and encryption, both are vital. However,
encryption will be used if the system is being deployed in an enterprise
environment. Linux experts I have luckly communicated with highly charish
RedHat. Just a suggestion, we could make the encryption testcase optional.
We are not forced to test it but it is still there.
On Mar 4, 2015 12:30 PM, "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> [replying at the end]
> Den 2015-03-04 18:11, Brendan Perrine skrev:
> > On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 08:57:41 -0800
> > Walter Lapchynski <wxl@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> I'd say if Ubuntu in general considers it an edge case, it probably is.
> >>
> >> @wxl
> >> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA
> >> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact
> >> Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader
> >> On Mar 4, 2015 8:54 AM, "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi again,
> >>>
> >>> I want to add:
> >>>
> >>> 1. I really think we should have a test-case for 'Encrypted LVM'
> >>>
> >>> 2. I can think of situations, when 'Encrypted home' is a better
> >>> alternative. We can add such a test-case, if the Lubuntu users think it
> >>> is important.
> >>>
> >>> As it is now, these two test-cases would be independent, because it
> does
> >>> no longer work with them in combination. If it is important, we can ask
> >>> the developers to fix the bug(s) so that the original alternate
> >>> test-case works again.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>> Nio
> >>>
> >>> Den 2015-03-04 17:24, Nio Wiklund skrev:
> >>>> Hi Walter,
> >>>>
> >>>> Encrypted LVM is *the* test-case in all other Ubuntu flavours
> including
> >>>> Ubuntu server. I really think we should test it, not only LVM.
> >>>> 'Encrypted disk' is implemented via LVM.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lubuntu is a special case with 'encrypted LVM', and inside it
> 'encrypted
> >>>> home'. What I suggest is to remove 'encrypted home' from the
> test-case.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards
> >>>> Nio
> >>>>
> >>>> Den 2015-03-04 17:15, Walter Lapchynski skrev:
> >>>>> I agree there's no reason to wait for desktop to implement the
> change to
> >>>>> alternate.  I do, however want to emphasize that encryption is more
> >>>>> valuable to the average user than LVM.  Maybe we should separate
> these
> >>>>> testcases for now? Then at some point in the future, we could create
> a
> >>>>> combined one.  Or is encrypted LVM a really unique case?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @wxl
> >>>>> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA
> >>>>> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact
> >>>>> Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mar 4, 2015 8:05 AM, "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Den 2015-03-04 14:38, Lars Noodén skrev:
> >>>>>     > On 04.03.2015 14:50, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> >>>>>     >> Hi Walter, Lars, Phill and all other Lubuntu users
> >>>>>     >>
> >>>>>     >> I think we have a working alternative, that should be rather
> >>> easy to
> >>>>>     >> implement for the Alternate Install (Encryption) test-cases
> (for
> >>> the
> >>>>>     >> i386 as well as the amd64 iso files).
> >>>>>     >>
> >>>>>     >> @ Walter and Lars: Can we agree to modify the (alternate)
> >>> test-cases?
> >>>>>     >>
> >>>>>     >> @ Lars: ... and when agreed, will you edit the alternate
> >>> test-cases?
> >>>>>     >>
> >>>>>     >> @ Walter and Lars: The next step will be to design
> corresponding
> >>>>>     >> test-cases for the Lubuntu desktop iso files.
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>     > Hi,
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>     > I can try modifying the Alternate encryption case, if someone
> can
> >>>>>     remind
> >>>>>     > me of the URL to the right guide to do that, when the time
> >>> comes.  The
> >>>>>     > hard part is not the HTML but dealing with bazaar and then
> >>>>>     following the
> >>>>>     > right procedure for a pull.  Would that be for 15.04 or for
> 15.10?
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>
> >>>
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/image/
> >>>>>     <
> >>>
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/image/
> >>>>
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>     > For 16.04, it would be best if the installers handled
> encryption
> >>>>>     > properly so that workarounds like dropping to the shell are not
> >>> needed
> >>>>>     > for full disk encryption.
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>     >> ...
> >>>>>     >> @ everybody:
> >>>>>     >>
> >>>>>     >> Skipping 'encrypted home inside encrypted disk with LVM' makes
> >>> things
> >>>>>     >> much easier to get working. ...
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>     > Encrypted home is probably important if there are multiple
> users
> >>>>>     or one
> >>>>>     > user with multiple roles on the machine.  For the full hard
> disk
> >>>>>     > encryption I see a main use-case as being work laptops that
> >>> travel and
> >>>>>     > thus at risk of being lost or stolen.
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>     > Regards,
> >>>>>     > /Lars
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Hi Lars,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     1. I hope we can agree very soon about the alternate encryption
> >>>>>     test-cases, and do it for 15.04, but I can fully understand, that
> >>> Walter
> >>>>>     or some other important persons may want to wait and think twice
> >>> before
> >>>>>     changing these test-cases.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     2. What I suggested today does not imply any dropping to a shell.
> >>>>>     Without encrypted home the alternate test-cases will be smooth.
> But
> >>> I'm
> >>>>>     waiting for someone (you, Lars?) to verify my test results.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     3. I agree that 'Encrypted home' is important if there are
> multiple
> >>>>>     users or one user with multiple roles on the machine. But must
> it be
> >>>>>     combined with encrypted disk and LVM?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     4. I think creating the corresponding test-cases for the desktop
> >>>>>     installer needs more time, but modifying the alternate test-cases
> >>> need
> >>>>>     not wait for the desktop ones to be ready for publishing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Best regards
> >>>>>     Nio
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> > I also conisder that manual partitioning would be more important as I
> would want to employ that in production as a user more often than
> encryption because I don't want to lose my own data if I lose the key.
> >
> Hi Brendan,
>
> I think both manual partitioning and encryption are important. We have a
> manual partitioning test-case for the Lubuntu desktop installers. I
> think both are worthwhile.
>
> If I have to rank the test-cases and skip the least valuable one, I
> would skip 'install alongside'. Users at the Ubuntu Forums have big
> problems because of that option (overwriting Windows), and several
> people (including the installer guru Oldfred) warn about it. The worst
> bugs are squashed now, but in order to control installations for dual
> booting, we really need the manual method alias 'Something else'.
>
> On the other hand, it is important that 'install alongside' works as
> well as possible, because it will affect beginners. So it is important
> that it is tested too.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
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