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[Chris <cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi guys,

When I said no/maybe, I was referring actually to the thread with the topic
"Ubuntu Forum Tutorials & Tips." on which the decision that
[help]pages==instructions, forum==discussion.
Therefor I said no to linking to the forum. All the important information
on the forum should move to the [help] pages and the forum should link to
[help] (not the other way around). For ease of transition it's okay to
temporarily link to the forum as long as those pages get moved over to the
[help].

Your page that you attached is GREAT and I LIKE IT but IMHO, it is much
> better for a website than a Wiki Page. Icons on the Wiki Page might be not
> very good idea and I think Phill or Chris have better answer because I'm
> NOT a Wiki Expert, I just didn't see that style on any Wiki Page before. In
> fact, that itself could be a plus. I mean, it's good that we be unique and
> have our own but again, *we are an Ubuntu Variant so I guess we need to
> stick to their style.* Someone please correct me if I'm wrong :)


That part of your message I was referring to Ali when I talked about
guidelines. The reason why most pages aren't filled with icons is because
most of the teams don't use the [wiki] or [help] as their main point of
organization/documentation. They either use local/offline docs for
documentation or launchpad for organization. (With organization I mean team
stuff and with documentation I mean help documents). So we are a "special"
case (always were and always will be, I think) so I think there aren't
guidelines for our case.

So for now I think it's *reasonably* safe to say we can use big icons if we
want to. About the issue of not being able to "find" [help] can be fixed by
changing the header to include a new row that mentions that [wiki] is for
team stuff. This can be made big/bold and clickable to easily find [help].
The advantage of changing the header is that all pages that include it get
changed automatically. There are other ways, but I want you guys to learn
it properly ^_^

On the section about making the "icons" clickable I don't know. As far as I
know it's not possible with moinmoin. But big icons with an easily
clickable link underneath them is possible and very trivial to do. So that
would be a solution.

I'll go once over LOST: it's in my eyes an index page (and apparently to a
lot of beginners a good one). I'm not a fan of the forum (which is quite
clear) but if Ali wants to maintain it it's fine with me. The
*advantage*of changing it to [wiki/help] is that more people can work
on it. One of
the downsides is that it would be moved and a lot of people counting on it
could get frustrated. To avoid that will keep that LOST around. However any
link on there that is very instructional should be moved to the [wiki/help]
as to not let it wither and die.

As Karl pointed out is the wiki (apparently) small and needs to flesh out.
One of the main ways to do so is to move forum stuff move to the wiki when
appropriate. I hope you agree on that Ali.

With metta, Chris

P.s.: I don't necessarily need more then 24 hours in a day, but if I could
reduce my sleeping needs to that of the borg (2 hours per day) that would
be quite swell.

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 22:54, Karl Anliot <kanliot@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> This reply is mainly to Ali.  I think Chris is mostly on board, maybe
> he's worried what the other wiki admins will think.
>
> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Startseite
> take a look at that page.
> What does that page do?  It's ubuntu.
> Now,  I built my new page in moinmoin, because we use moinmoin and we
> should just be able to cut and paste the page into the wiki.   I am
> using the newest version of moinmoin.   Perhaps Chris can help educate
> me there.
>
> Yesterday, I asked Chris if it's ok to post a link to the forum from
> the wiki.  After all, because the wiki is so small, naturally, most of
> the important stuff is on the forum.
> Chris said no-maybe.   This is a problem.  Not using stuff from the
> forum makes fleshing out the wiki much harder.
>
> I would like to help with LOST, but I can't possibly, because I can't
> edit the thread, I can't recieve PM's to your account.  etc.
> If we move some of the things from LOST, to the help.ubuntu.com, that
> means I can keep them up to date, in my time zone.  Really, I'd also
> be able to do a little cleaning up.
>
> I really think you want help from other people on LOST, the best way
> to do that is to put it on the wiki.
> And if you look for
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
> scroll down to :
> "Wikipedia's sister projects"
>
> You will see  my page design (that i stole from ubuntuusers.de) isn't
> all that radical.
>
> I think we agree on the points
> 1. Ali, you want help with LOST
> 2. wiki pages could be easier to use
> 3. more wiki pages would be useful
> 4. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu is not  newbie friendly.
> 5. help.ubuntu.com is not that great.  (my page would replace it)
>
> Really everyone that is on the "Lubuntu support team" should be using
> the wiki.  I can't stress this enough.  Everyone that actually has
> contact with users should own a wiki page, or be ready to create a
> wiki page, if they come into a new issue.
>
> Yes I will add a facebook link to the help/support homepage!
>