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["Ali Linx (amjjawad)" <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx>]

>
> I'll go once over LOST: it's in my eyes an index page (and apparently to a
> lot of beginners a good one). I'm not a fan of the forum (which is quite
> clear) but if Ali wants to maintain it it's fine with me. The *advantage* of
> changing it to [wiki/help] is that more people can work on it. One of the
> downsides is that it would be moved and a lot of people counting on it
> could get frustrated. To avoid that will keep that LOST around. However any
> link on there that is very instructional should be moved to the [wiki/help]
> as to not let it wither and die.
> As Karl pointed out is the wiki (apparently) small and needs to flesh out.
> One of the main ways to do so is to move forum stuff move to the wiki when
> appropriate. I hope you agree on that Ali.



Hello Chris and everyone :)

*Long story short, let's hold the discussion, debate, argument, etc about
LOST once and for all, PLEASE! *
*
*
I'm having tons of ideas in mind and talking about LOST every now and then
is really really giving me hard time and distract me.

LOST, the way everyone can see it now, is just version 1.0 and it's NOT the
way I want anyway. My plans are much more bigger than LOST and my plans for
LOST itself are many too.
I have explained before and I will not explain why LOST can't be a Wiki
Page.
But again, to finish this once and for all, I would do whatever is good for
Lubuntu, its team and users ... YOU GUYS MUST TRUST ME IN THIS :)
*I think I have proved that I can do it and I'm able to do it so some trust
is needed, some patient and motivation :) *

Please, I'm asking you for the last time, stop talking about LOST because
it makes me lose my focus and it's irritating and frustrating. Once I need
help or once I find time for LOST to make version 2 whether it's a thread
or a Wiki Page, I will let everyone knows myself, promise :)

Please, don't take that in the bad way or misunderstand me :(
it's just that I can't do anything to LOST at the moment because:
1- I'm thinking about other stuff
2- Busy with other stuff
3- It is not the right time for that.

Hope all of you understand now :)

HOWEVER, as I already asked Karl to do, if there is ANY post which is OUT
OF DATE, need to be changed, etc etc, please let me know that in case you
really want to help. BUT asking to convert LOST to a Wiki Page without
knowing what LOST really has and contains is not going to help.

One must go through LOST and understand everything about it and that is NOT
an easy job for you but it's easier for me since I'm the one who build it
from scratch, that is why I insist to be the one who will decide the future
of that thread.

Please, I hope I won't need to write more about LOST on any mailing list :)

Thank you!

P.S.
There was a chain of emails not too long ago about LOST and Phill, AFAIK,
understood quite well my point. If I'm not mistaken, it was Karl who
started that too :)

P.S.2
IMHO, I'd suggest to come up with something, say a project like LOST. Don't
mean to copy-paste LOST Style but a big Project like LOST. I'm not showing
off here but LOST is not a small project at all. It wasn't build in two
days, that is for sure.
*Lubuntu needs LOTS of sub-projects*. I was looking for someone who can
make YouTube for Lubuntu and I guess I found one on Lubuntu Page on
Facebook :)

P.S.3

I don't want to be stubborn because I'm sick and tired of this so if I'm
wrong in anything, correct me but disagreeing with me, doesn't make me
wrong :)


On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:03 AM, Chris <cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> When I said no/maybe, I was referring actually to the thread with the
> topic "Ubuntu Forum Tutorials & Tips." on which the decision that
> [help]pages==instructions, forum==discussion.
> Therefor I said no to linking to the forum. All the important information
> on the forum should move to the [help] pages and the forum should link to
> [help] (not the other way around). For ease of transition it's okay to
> temporarily link to the forum as long as those pages get moved over to the
> [help].
>
>
> Your page that you attached is GREAT and I LIKE IT but IMHO, it is much
>> better for a website than a Wiki Page. Icons on the Wiki Page might be not
>> very good idea and I think Phill or Chris have better answer because I'm
>> NOT a Wiki Expert, I just didn't see that style on any Wiki Page before. In
>> fact, that itself could be a plus. I mean, it's good that we be unique and
>> have our own but again, *we are an Ubuntu Variant so I guess we need to
>> stick to their style.* Someone please correct me if I'm wrong :)
>
>
> That part of your message I was referring to Ali when I talked about
> guidelines. The reason why most pages aren't filled with icons is because
> most of the teams don't use the [wiki] or [help] as their main point of
> organization/documentation. They either use local/offline docs for
> documentation or launchpad for organization. (With organization I mean team
> stuff and with documentation I mean help documents). So we are a "special"
> case (always were and always will be, I think) so I think there aren't
> guidelines for our case.
>
> So for now I think it's *reasonably* safe to say we can use big icons if
> we want to. About the issue of not being able to "find" [help] can be fixed
> by changing the header to include a new row that mentions that [wiki] is
> for team stuff. This can be made big/bold and clickable to easily find
> [help]. The advantage of changing the header is that all pages that include
> it get changed automatically. There are other ways, but I want you guys to
> learn it properly ^_^
>
> On the section about making the "icons" clickable I don't know. As far as
> I know it's not possible with moinmoin. But big icons with an easily
> clickable link underneath them is possible and very trivial to do. So that
> would be a solution.
>
> I'll go once over LOST: it's in my eyes an index page (and apparently to a
> lot of beginners a good one). I'm not a fan of the forum (which is quite
> clear) but if Ali wants to maintain it it's fine with me. The *advantage*of changing it to [wiki/help] is that more people can work on it. One of
> the downsides is that it would be moved and a lot of people counting on it
> could get frustrated. To avoid that will keep that LOST around. However any
> link on there that is very instructional should be moved to the [wiki/help]
> as to not let it wither and die.
>
> As Karl pointed out is the wiki (apparently) small and needs to flesh out.
> One of the main ways to do so is to move forum stuff move to the wiki when
> appropriate. I hope you agree on that Ali.
>
> With metta, Chris
>
> P.s.: I don't necessarily need more then 24 hours in a day, but if I could
> reduce my sleeping needs to that of the borg (2 hours per day) that would
> be quite swell.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 22:54, Karl Anliot <kanliot@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> This reply is mainly to Ali.  I think Chris is mostly on board, maybe
>> he's worried what the other wiki admins will think.
>>
>> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Startseite
>> take a look at that page.
>> What does that page do?  It's ubuntu.
>> Now,  I built my new page in moinmoin, because we use moinmoin and we
>> should just be able to cut and paste the page into the wiki.   I am
>> using the newest version of moinmoin.   Perhaps Chris can help educate
>> me there.
>>
>> Yesterday, I asked Chris if it's ok to post a link to the forum from
>> the wiki.  After all, because the wiki is so small, naturally, most of
>> the important stuff is on the forum.
>> Chris said no-maybe.   This is a problem.  Not using stuff from the
>> forum makes fleshing out the wiki much harder.
>>
>> I would like to help with LOST, but I can't possibly, because I can't
>> edit the thread, I can't recieve PM's to your account.  etc.
>> If we move some of the things from LOST, to the help.ubuntu.com, that
>> means I can keep them up to date, in my time zone.  Really, I'd also
>> be able to do a little cleaning up.
>>
>> I really think you want help from other people on LOST, the best way
>> to do that is to put it on the wiki.
>> And if you look for
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
>> scroll down to :
>> "Wikipedia's sister projects"
>>
>> You will see  my page design (that i stole from ubuntuusers.de) isn't
>> all that radical.
>>
>> I think we agree on the points
>> 1. Ali, you want help with LOST
>> 2. wiki pages could be easier to use
>> 3. more wiki pages would be useful
>> 4. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu is not  newbie friendly.
>> 5. help.ubuntu.com is not that great.  (my page would replace it)
>>
>> Really everyone that is on the "Lubuntu support team" should be using
>> the wiki.  I can't stress this enough.  Everyone that actually has
>> contact with users should own a wiki page, or be ready to create a
>> wiki page, if they come into a new issue.
>>
>> Yes I will add a facebook link to the help/support homepage!
>>
>
>


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