Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

[David Bensimon <david.bensimon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Paulo J. S. Silva wrote:
>> How does a user go from "Here's a list of apps you can launch" to "Here are
>> some apps that should always start when you log in"? Should there be a
>> dialog asking if you want those apps to auto-start the next time we log in?
>>
> 
> I just tried what I thought was the most obvious path: I opened
> sytem->preferences->session manager (the specific names may be
> incorrect, I am translating back from my locale to English). It opens
> the session manager window.
> 
> Then I went to the "Applications" menu and drag and dropped Epyphany
> onto the session manager window. That's it, epiphany will open next
> time I login.
> 
> I am afraid that most users may not know that they can control the
> programs that start at each session using that window. But if they do,
> it looks quite intuitive to me.
> 
>> I think the only correct path for this is to load all the apps, and then
>> logout, saving the session... but I know that broke in gnome-session a long
>> time ago by design, and I'm not sure if it ever came back properly.
>>
> 
> Unfortunately the auto-save feature does not seem to work with empathy
> for me. I had to explicitly add it to my session as described above.
> It works for other applications though (for example for
> gnome-terminal), and partially for some more (firefox opens up but not
> in the same virtual desktop and position). I looks like empathy
> gnome-session report is broken.

Yes, you may want to look at Chris Coulson's comment on this bug (even
though it is marked invalid):
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/444165

It seems that every application has the responsibility of making sure it
works with gnome-session-properties (Session Manager/Startup
Applications or whatever other name it has been given).

"gnome-session can only restore applications that connect to the session
manager, save it's own state file and tell the session manager how to
restore it. If some applications don't work, then that's an application
bug, and you should open a bug report for that application"

If you report a bug for this against the empathy package, please
subscribe me to it.

David

> 
>> This would seem like another great justification for the indicator-applet to
>> have a preferences dialog. Users will want to configure what shows up and
>> what doesn't (Just because evolution is installed doesn't mean I want it
>> there. Likewise, just because I ran an application once to try it doesn't
>> mean it should live ind the messaging menu for eternity).... users ALSO
>> should be able to configure which indicator-apps start up automatically.
>>
>> Maybe this indicates that the indicator-applet and session properties should
>> be somehow more integrated?
> 
> That may be a nice idea. Another possibility would be for the applet
> use the preferred application information. In this case if the
> computer has many mail programs installed. Only the default one for
> each user would appear in indicator applet (at least if is not
> running).
> 
> Paulo
> 
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