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["K. Posern" <quickhelp@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Adam,
Hi Jan,

Thanks for your feedback on this issue.

I like the idea of telling people (politely) to
google/bingle/yahoogle... or use the mailing-list archive :)

>  shoot... feet... if we don't support each other.
Because I like the idea of supporting each other ... but after a certain
minimum of self-effort to resolve the problem (e.g. by doing the above
first).

I can understand that one can get angry about people for just being lazy
and/or thoughtless when posting to a mailing-list.
But it's better to stay polite - agreed :)
I hope my tone was not to harsh.

Best,

Knuth

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On 10/29/2010 05:35 AM, Jan Groth wrote:
> All,
> 
> as a reader (not a writer) of this mailinglist, I strongly discourage the
> idea to split up into two separate lists. I like to follow (and benefit
> from) the information the way it is.
> 
> I fully support Adam's point: This is not a general Linux forum, BUT if
> unrelated questions do pop up, there's certainly a way to say this is a
> polite and friendly way. Because at the end of the day we (Linux users) are
> shooting in our own feet if we don't support each other.
> 
> cheers,
> Jan
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Adam Hill <sidepipeuk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>>
>>> I actually have to agree to Norbert.
>>
>>         Hmm, I agree with Norbert but I don't agree with the tone. If
>> people are
>> going to get annoyed everytime someone else does something which they don't
>> approve of then maybe they need to go off and form their own society,
>> because
>> it will always happen :(.
>>
>>        In defence of Denys, he probably just assumed that it was an issue
>> with
>> my particular kernel, which IS sony z series related and information about
>> it
>> can only be found here. That is obviously an incorrect assumption but for
>> someone who is trying to get Linux running who does not understand the
>> technical stuff ( which is the sort of person that Linux needs to appeal to
>> if
>> it has any hope of mass adoption ) would not necessarily understand that or
>> know where to find the answers. Any mailing list that you care to set up
>> which
>> doesn't have some sort of an examination as a membership qualification will
>> fall foul of the same thing eventually. If people would just play nicely
>> then
>> the world would be a better place... ( Adam gets off his soap box now. )
>>
>>        Let me make it clear though that my kernel is based on a
>> pre-release, and
>> the Intel fixes are also new. This list isn't the place to get support on
>> either, unless you are asking about specific Z series components which do
>> not
>> work AND you have looked on your favourite search engine for the answers
>> first! Then the thread would be about how to get the component working,
>> which
>> is sort of the point of this list :).
>>
>>        Denys - VirtualBox DOES work on my kernel because I use it - I
>> thought
>> that the latest VirtualBox had all of the necessary patches included, but
>> search google for "VirtualBox 2.6.36" and you should find the answers.
>>
>> Adam.
>>
>>
>>> And I can add from my perspective:
>>> That it would be nice to not have everybody that tries to install an
>>> UBUNTU system gets full user-support via this mailing list (I am talking
>>> about the cases that took in 10-15 back and forth mails and did not
>>> reveal any /new/ or /updated/ information - except for the newbie trying
>>> to use Ubuntu without reading one of the howtos out there already for
>>> this).
>>>
>>> Norbert:
>>> Maybe the solution is to split off into our own mailing-list?
>>> I could try to organize this.
>>>
>>> Adam: Would you join us?
>>>
>>> Anyway we were all young once... but a bit more rtfm would be nice :)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Knuth
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> On 10/28/2010 12:05 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
>>>> On Do, 28 Okt 2010, Denys Pasishnyi wrote:
>>>>> Excuse me! In first email I don't explain good my question.
>>>>
>>>> And even in the second it has nothing to do genuinely with SOny
>> laptops?
>>>> It is just that you don't know how to manage a linux system..
>>>>
>>>>> Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 2.6.36-0-vaioz cannot be found
>> at
>>>>> /lib/modules/2.6.36-0-vaioz/build or
>> /lib/modules/2.6.36-0-vaioz/source.
>>>>
>>>> Then you have to compile your own kernel with the patches necessary,
>>>> otherwise you will not get virtualbox nor vmware to run, that is life.
>>>>
>>>> Norbert
>>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Norbert Preining            preining@{jaist.ac.jp, logic.at,
>> debian.org}
>>>> JAIST, Japan                                 TeX Live & Debian
>> Developer
>>>> DSA: 0x09C5B094   fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76  A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5
>> B094
>>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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