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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Israel,

I'm glad if this testing will help you improve ToriOS :-)

Best regards and Good luck
Nio

Den 2015-05-27 04:28, Israel skrev:
> Hi!
> I think the issue (from what you say) is related to starttorios, or our
> .xinitrc
> If shutdown works from JWM, but not ToriOS then the polkit rules are
> working fine, but something becomes messed up with the startup scripts.
> I will look into this!  Thanks for doing so much research and testing!! 
> I think you narrowed it down enough for me to know where to look!!
> 
> On 05/26/2015 04:34 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> Hi again Israel and Jack,
>>
>> - Tarball created with ToriOS (current beta, May24)
>>
>> - Installed with ToriOS (current beta, May24)
>>
>> Again it works to create a tarball and make a working system from that
>> tarball, this time a system with the kernel 3.13 (and the HWE stack from
>> trusty) plus the two 3.2 kernels with and without PAE.
>>
>> So the installed system (as is) works, for example nm-applet and the
>> shutdown menu. But as I reported earlier, if I install the OBI-installer
>> into this system, it does not work (not with the tarballs created
>> earlier (in the ToriOS live session) and not with tarballs created in
>> the same system. The created system (in the next turn) cannot manage
>> nm-applet and the shutdown meny.
>>
>> -o-
>>
>> - Tarball created with ToriOS (the old favourite, May16)
>>
>> - Installed with ToriOS (the old favourite, May16)
>>
>> As we all know, it works to use the built-in tarball, but this system
>> does not work at all to create a tarball from the system with the kernel
>> 3.13 (and the HWE stack from trusty) plus the two 3.2 kernels with and
>> without PAE. I tried three times with slightly different methods, but
>> zmktbl was stuck (and I had to hard reset it, not even SysRq REISUB worked).
>>
>> I don't know what happened, and maybe it is not really important,
>> because the newer version works better. But I do know that it is hard to
>> understand exactly what happens when using chroot.
>>
>> -o-
>>
>> I made an OEM system (user oem, computer name oem) which seems to create
>> problems for the OBI-installer while my own version of the OBI for
>> precise works with it. (Also the standard OBI in Lubuntu Trusty works
>> with such systems.) This system has the two 3.2 kernels with and without
>> PAE and I will add fake-pae before uploading the tarball to Phill's
>> server. I will install geany and evince too, but nothing big.
>>
>> - It works to use the OEM mechanism and nm-applet works.
>>
>> - The shutdown menu works correctly when I select the JWM session, but
>> not in the ToriOS session. There is also a plain grey Openbox session,
>> that works as it should. Openbox is necessary for the OEM mechanism to work.
>>
>> See the attached file.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
>>
>> Den 2015-05-26 16:09, Nio Wiklund skrev:
>>> Hi Israel and Jack,
>>>
>>> - Tarball created with my own version of the OBI for precise
>>>
>>> - Installed with my own version of the OBI for precise
>>>
>>> This works - I can install a system where nm-applet and the shutdown
>>> menu work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So something is fishy with ToriOS, either with mktbl or with the
>>> operating system itself.
>>>
>>> I'll continue testing ...
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>>
>>>
>>> Den 2015-05-26 15:34, Nio Wiklund skrev:
>>>> Hi Israel and Jack,
>>>>
>>>> I'm testing right now with my own version of the OBI for precise ... I
>>>> hope we can find the problem. I think the problem is that when the
>>>> OBI-installer is installed into a new system, it does not work properly
>>>> concerning permissions etc when using chroot.
>>>>
>>>> My own version of the OBI for precise does not use chroot (at least not
>>>> for the same kind of things as in ToriOS).
>>>>
>>>> - Tarball created with ToriOS (current beta, May24)
>>>>
>>>> - Installed with my own version of the OBI for precise
>>>>
>>>> The same problem occurred with non-working nm-applet and shutdown menu.
>>>> This makes me wonder if the problem is with the installed ToriOS systems
>>>> - that they have some strange settings, which are not reproduced via the
>>>> tarballs (lost either during saving or restoring).
>>>>
>>>> I'll continue testing ... I'll create a tarball with my own version of
>>>> the OBI for precise. I think zmktbl in ToriOS and mktbl in my own
>>>> version of the OBI for precise do the same thing, but who knows.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Nio
>>>>
>>>> Den 2015-05-26 14:20, Israel skrev:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> I do not know.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are saying you download a tarball and install it, but network
>>>>> manager does not run in Tarballs that are not ours?
>>>>>
>>>>> @Nio, will you test these tarballs with the older ISO you liked a lot to
>>>>> see if they can be installed properly that way?
>>>>>
>>>>> That might give us a clue
>>>>>
>>>>> On 05/26/2015 12:56 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Israel,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been testing these custom tarballs and also other similar
>>>>>> tarballs (It is easy to make tarballs with zmktbl.) I also make a
>>>>>> compressed image file (file.img.xz) to be installed with mkusb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The systems installed with the OBI-installer and with mkusb work, but
>>>>>> they cannot in turn install good systems via the OBI-installer. The
>>>>>> nm-applet bug re-appears:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is (wired) network, yet nm-applet indicates no network (a red
>>>>>> circle with a white cross).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried these fixes:
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> Apparently (not sure how) but /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper
>>>>>> is the problem
>>>>>> to fix:
>>>>>> (possibly this one)
>>>>>> sudo chmod -x /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (These two for sure)
>>>>>> sudo chmod u+s /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper
>>>>>> sudo chmod g+x /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (maybe this one)
>>>>>> sudo chown root:messagebus /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> But they do not fix the issue. What can be the problem this time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>> Nio
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Den 2015-05-25 18:00, Nio Wiklund skrev:
>>>>>>> Hi Toriosadores,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Fixing an important typing error - and spell persistent correctly]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the current version of ToriOS-beta.iso (May 24) is quite good,
>>>>>>> and well worth testing and extending. So I installed two more kernels,
>>>>>>> the 3.2 generic-pae kernel and the 3.13 generic kernel (a trusty kernel)
>>>>>>> together with the hardware enablement stack for trusty, which comes with
>>>>>>> the full implementation of Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS. This can be useful for
>>>>>>> the great majority of the computers, particularly if you have some new
>>>>>>> or middle-aged hardware, that is not recognized by the original Ubuntu
>>>>>>> 12.04 LTS drivers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can download them by selecting *Download in the OBI* or directly from
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/torios/2015-05/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. ToriOSmay24-3ker.tar.xz (491M)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first tarball is quite similar to the original one, with only a few
>>>>>>> added packages. An important addition is fake-pae, that makes it
>>>>>>> possible to run the system of this tarball with Pentium M and Celeron M
>>>>>>> processors, that have PAE capability but no PAE flag. I have tested that
>>>>>>> it works in my IBM Thinkpad T42 laptop with a Pentium M CPU.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. ToriOShuge3ker.tar.xz (812M)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The second tarball was built from the first one by adding several
>>>>>>> application program packages, so that it is possible to perform many
>>>>>>> standard tasks without installing any extra programs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See the (last modified) pictures at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/torios/pictures/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The very last picture illustrates the available application programs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/torios/pictures/25-applications_in-huge3ker.png
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -o-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In order to download tarballs to the OBI in ToriOS live, you need to
>>>>>>> have somewhere to store it (not where you intend to install from it).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. If you boot from a CD disk or an mkusb-made USB drive, I recommend
>>>>>>> that you create a partition on a third drive, for example a USB drive.
>>>>>>> Put the label *live-rw* onto that partition, and create an ext2 file system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then (re)boot into ToriOS live, press TAB and add the boot option
>>>>>>> *persistent* at the end of the boot line and continue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. If you create a boot USB pendrive with Unetbootin, you must rename
>>>>>>> the file casper-rw to live-rw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Change directory to where you have that file an run
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mv casper-rw live-rw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -o-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can install ToriOSmay24-3ker.tar.xz or ToriOShuge3ker.tar.xz into a
>>>>>>> USB pendrive. If it is a fast USB pendrive, you will get quite good
>>>>>>> performance also in USB 2 ports. These are portable systems, that work
>>>>>>> well in many computers (but might have problems to boot in some
>>>>>>> middle-aged hp computers, that need chainloading to boot via grub in USB).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tested them today, so I know that they works in different computers.
>>>>>>> And you can use the OBI in these systems to install ToriOS in the
>>>>>>> internal drives of computers. As a matter of fact, these tarballs make
>>>>>>> systems that are similar to the original One Button Installer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy testing :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>> Nio
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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